What Are Kets and Vectors in 3-D Representation?

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The discussion centers around the nature of kets, specifically |x> and |p>, in the context of 3-D representation. Participants explore whether these kets can be considered vectors in 3-D space or if they belong to a different mathematical framework, including concepts from quantum mechanics and functional analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that |x> and |p> are not vectors in 3-D space, suggesting they exist in an infinite-dimensional space instead.
  • One participant explains that |x> in the position representation corresponds to the Dirac delta function, which is an element of a space of functions.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of conjugation in the context of complex numbers and its relevance to the discussion of kets.
  • There is mention of the Pauli matrices transforming 3-D directions into 2-D complex vectors, indicating a relationship between kets and spin representations.
  • One participant describes |x> and |p> as distributions in the dual space of a Schwartz space of smooth functions, emphasizing that only the labels are vectors in 3-D.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the classification of |x> and |p>. Multiple competing views are presented regarding their nature and dimensionality, indicating an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various mathematical frameworks, including infinite-dimensional spaces and functional analysis, without fully resolving the implications of these frameworks on the understanding of kets.

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Hi. I have read that when working in 3-D the following kets | x > and | p > are not vectors in 3-D. If that is correct what are they ? I know | ψ > is an abstract vector but I thought | x > and | p > would be 3-D vectors in the position and momentum representation ?
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They are vectors in an infinite-dimensional space. It is natural to feel that ##|x\rangle## should be in a 3d space because ##x##, without the enclosing symbols, is a coordinate in 3D space. But ##|x\rangle## is not a coordinate or any other type of number. In the position representation it is the Dirac delta function ##\delta_x##, which is an element of a space of functions, which - like most function spaces - is infinite-dimensional.
 
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<a is conjugate of a>
<a|b> kind of dot(a.conjugate , b)
b><b|a> projection into other direction like b*dot(b.conjugate , a)

v2=pol><pol|v> is equivalent with this pseudo code
amp=dot(v,pol)
v2.x = pol.x*amp
v2.y = pol.y*amp

conjugate of V is V.imaginary=-V.imaginary
 
The Pauli matrices transform the 3d direction into 2d complex vector like spin.
 
Why do we need conjugation?
because there is a minus sign in real part of multiplication of complex numbers.

complex operator *(complex c)
{
complex e;
e.real = this->real*c.real - this->img*c.img;
e.img = this->img*c.real + this->real*c.img;
return e;
}
 
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x > and | p > are not vectors in 3-D. If that is correct what are they ?
They are distributions, elements in the dual space of a Schwartz space of smooth functions. Only the labels are vectors in 3D.
 
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