What Are Other Types of Proportion Beyond Direct and Inverse?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of proportionality in mathematics and physics, specifically exploring types of proportion beyond direct and inverse. Participants share their understanding of proportionality constants and their applications in equations, including the Friedmann equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about types of proportion beyond direct and inverse, expressing curiosity about the role of the proportionality constant "k" in equations.
  • Another participant explains that any constant can be used in proportionality, emphasizing the importance of consistency in variable notation.
  • A further contribution clarifies that direct variation implies a constant ratio between two numbers, equating x=ky with the constant k being the ratio x/y.
  • Another participant elaborates that the choice of "k" as a constant is arbitrary, and provides examples of how different constants can represent different proportional relationships, such as the number of shoes to people.
  • Additionally, a participant introduces the idea of other types of proportionality, citing the example of the force between charged particles being proportional to the inverse square of their distance.

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Participants generally agree on the concept of proportionality constants and their arbitrary nature, but there is no consensus on the specific types of proportion beyond direct and inverse, as well as the implications of these concepts in various contexts.

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Limitations include the lack of a comprehensive definition of other types of proportion and the dependence on specific examples provided by participants. The discussion does not resolve the broader question of additional types of proportion.

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hello

we have been covering direct and inverse proportion at school. Are there any other types of proprtion?

We've been coming across questions like:

x is directly proportion to Y

Then I've been told to write

X (the proportion sign, which is like 8 on its side) Y

X=ky

We are then given a value for x and a value for y and asked to work out k. I'm fine with that but I'm wondering why we have to put "k"? Why does that proportion sign turn into "K"?

Also i was looking at the friedmann equation and i saw it had a "k" in it. When i see a physics equation like that will the K usually mean "constant" and will it have something to do with proportion?

thanks _Muddy_
 
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Any proportionality constant, if consistantly applied in the situation can be used; whether k, or c, or R, or K, or C, or anything which you can accept as a constant. Just understand that case-level really matters, so that k is a different number than K. x is a different number than X. Be consistent with your use of variables.
 
In case it helps, direct variation means that the RATIO between two numbers is a constant. When you express that x=ky, and that k is the proportionality constant, then we equivalently mean x/y is a constant, and that this constant is k.
 
k is just a constant (it is a number). The fact that you use k is entirely arbitrary, you could have used a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,a happy face, the peace sign whatever (although usually it is convention to use the beginning of the alphabet (a,b,c) to represent constants and the end to represent variables (x,y,z). The reason the proportional sign turn into a constant is because when you say something is PROPORTIONAL it doesn't mean 1 to 1 (i.e. if I have one person standing in a room I have (assuming they are properly attired) 2 shoes in the room (they have one on each foot). If another person enters the room you then have FOUR shoes. Therefore, the number of shoes in the room is PROPORTIONAL to the number of people but it is in fact TWICE the number of people therefore (# of people) time 2 = # of shoes. So in that case the porportionality 'constant' is 2. What if I considered limbs (2 arms, 2 legs) then, for each person in the room I have 4 times as many limbs so the proportionality constant is 4. And so on.

And yes there are more then just direct and inverse. For example, in physics the force that two charged particles feel towards each other is proportional to the inverse of the SQUARE of their distances (i.e. Force is proportional to 1/(distance)^2 so it's F = c/(distance)^2 where c is just a constant)
 

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