What are P and Q in Green's Theorem?

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The discussion revolves around Green's Theorem, specifically focusing on the definitions and roles of the functions P and Q within the theorem's context. Participants are exploring the nature of P and Q, questioning whether they are vectors or functions of variables x and y.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the definitions of P and Q, with some suggesting they are components of a vector and others questioning their nature as functions of x and y. There is also a mention of the dot product relationship and its implications.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the mathematical relationships involving P and Q. Some have offered clarifications about their roles as functions, while others are still seeking to understand the notation and implications of these functions in the context of Green's Theorem.

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There is some confusion regarding the notation used for P and Q, with one participant mistakenly repeating P instead of referring to Q. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in understanding the functions' dependencies on the variables x and y.

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I understand Greens Theorem, been doing a bit of it recently, but I have perhaps a very... novice question.

What is P and Q exactly? They showed us on the board, but I am unsure what they are. Are they vectors? Or are they functions of a vector?
 
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They are x and y components of a vector, (P,Q), and if you're curious or have seen enough machinery, you might like to know that Pdx+Qdy=(P,Q).(dx,dy), that is, the dot product F.dr.
 
I often see it written as [tex]P_{(x,y)}[/tex] and [tex]P_{(x,y)}[/tex] and I am told that they are functions of x and y?
 
I knew the thingy about the dot product... that became obvious when translating it to vector form.
 
Well, what exactly is your question? Yes, the notation P(x,y) means that P is a function of the two variables x and y. You, for some reason, write that twice. Did you mean Q(x, y) for the second? It also means that Q is a function of the two variables x and y.

In Green's theorem, in the form
[tex]\oint P(x,y)dx+ Q(x,y)dy= \int\int\left(\frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial P}{\partial y}\right)dxdy[/tex]

P and Q are simply two functions of x and y. They can be pretty much any functions as long as they satisfy the hypotheses: they must have continuous partial derivatives inside and on the closed curve.

You can think of P and Q as the x and y components of a vector valued function, as algebrat suggests. Taking the z-component to be 0, the integrand on the right can be thought of as the "curl",
[tex]\nabla\times \vec{F}(x,y)= \left(\frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial P}{\partial y}\right)\vec{k}[/tex]
where [itex]\vec{F}(x,y)[/itex] is the vector valued function [itex]\vec{F}(x,y)= P(x,y)\vec{i}+ Q(x,y)\vec{j}[/itex].

In vector form, Green's theorem can written
[tex]\oint \vec{F}\cdot d\vec{\sigma}= \int\int \nabla\times \vec{F}\cdot d\vec{S}[/tex]
a special form of the "generalized Stoke's theorem".
 
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