Using Green's Theorem for a quadrilateral

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves evaluating a line integral using Green's Theorem along a specified path connecting four points, forming a shape that some participants describe as a parallelogram. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the necessity of including an additional line segment in the evaluation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Green's Theorem and the implications of the path not being closed. There are questions about why an additional line integral is needed and whether the shape can be accurately described as a parallelogram.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Green's Theorem and the need to account for the path from D to A, but no consensus has been reached on the shape's classification or the implications of the theorem's application.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not specify a closed path, which raises questions about the correct application of Green's Theorem and the necessity of including additional segments in the integral evaluation.

Mohamed Abdul

Homework Statement


Evaluate the line integral of (sin x + y) dx + (3x + y) dy on the path connecting A(0, 0) to B(2, 2) to C(2, 4) to D(0, 6). A sketch will be useful.

Homework Equations


Sketching the points, I have created a parallelogram shape. I also know that green's theorem formula, given here: http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcIII/GreensTheorem.aspx

The Attempt at a Solution


In order to solve this problem, I thought I could just utilize Green's theorem at the bounds of the shape. My main question, however, is what my TA told me: apparently in order to evaluate the integral I also have to subtract the line integral over the curve from (0,6) to (0,0). I am very confused on why we need to do that.
 
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Mohamed Abdul said:

Homework Statement


Evaluate the line integral of (sin x + y) dx + (3x + y) dy on the path connecting A(0, 0) to B(2, 2) to C(2, 4) to D(0, 6). A sketch will be useful.

Homework Equations


Sketching the points, I have created a parallelogram shape. I also know that green's theorem formula, given here: http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcIII/GreensTheorem.aspx

The Attempt at a Solution


In order to solve this problem, I thought I could just utilize Green's theorem at the bounds of the shape. My main question, however, is what my TA told me: apparently in order to evaluate the integral I also have to subtract the line integral over the curve from (0,6) to (0,0). I am very confused on why we need to do that.

As stated, the question did not say "closed path", so it goes from A to B to C to D, but not from D back to A. If you used Green's theorem, you will have included a line-segment that was not part of the original problem.
 
Ray Vickson said:
As stated, the question did not say "closed path", so it goes from A to B to C to D, but not from D back to A. If you used Green's theorem, you will have included a line-segment that was not part of the original problem.
So in solving this I'd use Green's Theorem as normal and then simply subtract the line integral for the path from D to A?
 
Mohamed Abdul said:
So in solving this I'd use Green's Theorem as normal and then simply subtract the line integral for the path from D to A?
Yes. Not sure why you call the shape a parallelogram in post #1. Also, the integrand in Green's theorem comes out constant. Does that suggest a shortcut?
 

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