What are Real and Imaginary Numbers and How Do They Relate to Each Other?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of real and imaginary numbers, their definitions, and how they relate to each other. Participants explore both conceptual and mathematical aspects, including the representation of complex numbers in the plane and their operations.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that real numbers correspond to points on a line, while complex numbers correspond to points in a plane, with complex numbers represented as pairs of coordinates.
  • One participant describes the multiplication of complex numbers and introduces the imaginary unit i, noting that i^2 = -1.
  • A historical perspective is provided, mentioning Caspar Wessel's contribution to the understanding of complex numbers as operations in the plane.
  • Another participant raises a question about defining imaginary numbers as solutions to equations, suggesting a need for a more formal definition of complex numbers as a field.
  • There is a clarification regarding the multiplication of i and -i, with some participants confirming that i * -i = 1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the definitions and properties of real and imaginary numbers, with some agreeing on specific mathematical operations while others question the foundational definitions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the formal definition of imaginary numbers.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the potential circular reasoning in defining imaginary numbers as solutions to equations without prior definitions. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the formal structure of complex numbers as a field.

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Im doing A-level maths at the moment an its nowhere in the sylabus I am just generally interested :D

can anyone giv me like a really simplish explanation :D
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real numbers are in 1-1 correspondence with points of a line. complex (i.e. "imaginary") numbers are in 1-1 correspondence with points of the plane, and include the real numbers as the special case of the points of the x-axis in the plane.

thus a complex number has 2 coordinates (a,b). To add (a,b)+(x,y) = (a+x,b+y) you add the coordinates separately. to multiply (a,b).(x,y) is more complicated.

the rule is: (a,b).(x,y) = (ax-by, ay+bx). the real numbers are the ones of form (x,0), or just x. Thus notice that (0,1).(0,1) = (-1,0). So we now have a new non real number namely (0,1), whose square equals the real number -1.

If we give a special name, usually i, to the number (0,1), then we can write every complex number (a,b) as a(1,0) + b(0,1) = a + bi, where i^2 = -1.

This explains the multiplication rule, since now we see that (a,b).(x,y) = (a+bi)(x+iy)

= ab + xyi^2 +ayi + bxi = (ab-xy) + i(ay+bx) = (ab-xy, ay+bx).If we also remember the addition laws for sin and cosine, we get that multiplication of two complex numbers, multiplies their lengths (distance from the origin) and adds the angles made by the lines joining them to the origin.

thus we can write every complex number as r(cos(t)+ i sin(t)),

and we have [rcos(t) + i sin(t)][scosu)+i sin(u)] = rs[cos(s+t) + i sin(s+t)]

hows them apples?
 
As a proud Norwegian, I will add that a compatriot of mine, Caspar Wessel, was the first to formulate the idea of complex numbers as operations done in the "plane", rather than "on the line".

In his original paper, he conceives of the idea of how to "multiply" line segments (all initiating at the origin), whereby he arrived at the strategy of that the product should be a line segment whose length should be the product of the factors' length, and the product line segment's angle to the x-axis should be the sum of the angles the factors made to the x-axis.

Here is a biographical sketch of him, from MacTutor:
http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Wessel.html
 
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A simpler explanation, certainly less thorough than Mathwonk's just given, is that the simplest imaginary number is the solution to the equation, x^2 + 1 = 0. The solution to this equation is the number called i.
 
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symbolipoint said:
A simpler explanation, certainly less thorough than Mathwonk's just given, is that the simplest imaginary number is the solution to the equation, x^2 + 1 = 0. The solution to this equation is the number called i.

Do we have a circular reasoning icon in this forum? How can we define a number as being a solution of an equation without having first defined the number? We need to be more formal, let C=R be a field, that contains R (real numbers) and an element i such that i^2=-1 and closed under field operations.
Theorem
All comblex numbers may be written in the form a+bi where a and b are real numbers.
Theorem
(a+bi)+(c+di)=(a+c)+(d+d)i
(a+bi)*(c+di)=(ac-bd)+(ad+bc)i
 
Sorry for the bump but didn't want to make a new thread for such an easy question >.<

i * -i ? Hmm :P, logic would maybe say 1 but maybe I'm wrong? Any clarification would be appreciated
 
You are correct, i * -i = 1.
[itex]i \cdot -i = -i^2 = -\sqrt{-1}^2 = -1 \cdot -1 = 1[/itex]
 
i*-i = -i^2 = -1*(-1) = 1.
 

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