What Are Some Examples of Infinite Pairwise Coprime Sets?

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The discussion focuses on examples of infinite pairwise coprime sets of integers, exploring both theoretical and practical aspects. Participants seek to identify sets that are not limited to trivial examples like the set of all primes or those that grow too quickly, such as Fermat numbers. The conversation also touches on the possibility of constructing pairwise coprime sets of any desired length.

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  • Some participants propose that the set of all primes is pairwise coprime but too broad for specific needs.
  • Others suggest looking for sets that consist of products of distinct primes as a way to avoid trivial sets.
  • One participant questions the method of taking the product of subsets of primes, seeking clarification on how this relates to forming a pairwise coprime set.
  • A recursive method for generating pairwise coprime integers is introduced, involving the selection of integers a and S_0, with a specific formula for generating subsequent terms.
  • Another participant references a source that discusses the recursive relation and its origins, noting that it lacks a specific name.

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Participants express a range of views on how to construct pairwise coprime sets, with some agreeing on the utility of products of distinct primes while others seek clarification on the methods discussed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to find or construct such sets.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of pairwise coprimeness and the specific conditions under which the recursive method is applied. The discussion does not resolve whether the proposed methods are the most efficient or comprehensive.

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Hi all,


I am looking for examples of infinite pairwise coprime sets.

A set P of integers is pairwise coprime iff, for every p and q in P with p ≠ q, we have gcd(p, q) = 1. Here gcd denotes the greatest common divisor.(Wikipedia)

Also from wikipedia the following are some examples of infinite such sets:

The set of all primes, {2, 3, 5, 7, 11, …} is of course pairwise coprime, as is the set of elements in Sylvester's sequence, and the set of all Fermat numbers(Wikipedia).

However, the set of all primes is trivial and two broad of a set for my purpose, and the last two seem to be too restrective, in the sense that their terms get very big very fast, which is something i would not like to deal with.

So, i guess what i am looking for is something in beetween. Also, i believe that a finite set of integers that is pairwise coprime would work, as long as it is a relatively large set.

Also i am wondering, whether there are pairwise coprime sets of any desired lenght? That is, for any given k in Z, is it possible to find a pairwise coprime set P with exactly k elements in it?

Thanks to all of you!
 
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sutupidmath said:
Also i am wondering, whether there are pairwise coprime sets of any desired lenght? That is, for any given k in Z, is it possible to find a pairwise coprime set P with exactly k elements in it?

The first k primes. Or any k distinct primes. Or partition n distinct primes into k disjoint nonempty subsets (n>=k) and take the product of each set. I don't know how else you'd do it.
 
Tinyboss said:
The first k primes. Or any k distinct primes.
I figured this one out.
Tinyboss said:
Or partition n distinct primes into k disjoint nonempty subsets (n>=k) and take the product of each set.

What do you mean with 'take the product of each set' here? I am assuming cartesian product, but still, i don't see how that helps, since the resulting set would have pairs of primes(ordered pairs) rather than primes alone.
Or am I missing something here?! :redface:
 
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sutupidmath said:
What do you mean with 'take the product of each set' here? I am assuming cartesian product, but still, i don't see how that helps, since the resulting set would have pairs of primes(ordered pairs) rather than primes alone.
Or am I missing something here?! :redface:

I mean, for each set, take the product of all its elements. So if your sets were {2,5,11} and {13, 31} then your numbers would be 110 and 403.
 
I think that Tinyboss has already given you the best advice: If you don't want sets that consist of individual primes, then create sets that consist of products of distinct primes. However, if you're looking for an algorithm to produce sets of pairwise coprime numbers, try this:

Choose integers a and S_0 such that S_0 > a \geq 1 and S_0 and a are relatively prime. Then define S_n recursively by

S_n = a + S_{n-1}(S_{n-1} - a)

Then a and the S_n will be a sequence of pairwise coprime integers. For a = 2 and S_0 = 3, you get the Fermat numbers.

Petek
 
Petek said:
I think that Tinyboss has already given you the best advice: If you don't want sets that consist of individual primes, then create sets that consist of products of distinct primes. However, if you're looking for an algorithm to produce sets of pairwise coprime numbers, try this:

Choose integers a and S_0 such that S_0 > a \geq 1 and S_0 and a are relatively prime. Then define S_n recursively by

S_n = a + S_{n-1}(S_{n-1} - a)

Then a and the S_n will be a sequence of pairwise coprime integers. For a = 2 and S_0 = 3, you get the Fermat numbers.

Petek

I believe this is what i was looking for. I tried to construct various recurrence relations that would produce sequences of pairwise coprime integers, but yeah, this is good to know! Do you know whether this recursive relation has a specific name (how's it called), because it looks quite familiar, and i might have seen it before!

Tanks to both of you!
 
I found the relation on page 7 of Ribenboim's The Little Book of Bigger Primes. He says that it comes from the paper Infinite Coprime Sequences, Edwards, 1964, Math. Gazette 48, 416 - 422. No specific name, though.

Petek
 
Petek said:
I found the relation on page 7 of Ribenboim's The Little Book of Bigger Primes. He says that it comes from the paper Infinite Coprime Sequences, Edwards, 1964, Math. Gazette 48, 416 - 422. No specific name, though.

Petek

Thanks again, this is very helpful!:approve:
 

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