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The discussion revolves around interesting mathematical questions, particularly focusing on the nature of complex numbers and the definition of Bernoulli numbers for non-integer indices. Participants explore the implications of these concepts in both theoretical and mathematical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the complex number \( i = \sqrt{-1} \) can be considered greater or smaller than 0, prompting a discussion on the ordering of complex numbers.
  • Another participant argues that the usual order properties of real numbers do not apply to complex numbers, suggesting that defining "positive" and "negative" complex numbers may not yield meaningful results.
  • A reference is made to the idea that there is only one complete ordered field, which is the real numbers, implying that complex numbers cannot be ordered in the same way.
  • Some participants propose that it is possible to define total orderings on the complex numbers, but caution that such definitions may not be consistent with the field structure.
  • Regarding Bernoulli numbers, one participant expresses skepticism about defining Bernoulli numbers for fractional indices, referencing external sources that suggest such definitions do not exist.
  • Another participant introduces a mathematical identity involving square roots of negative numbers and suggests a continued fraction approach to understanding \( (-2)^{0.5} \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ordering of complex numbers and the definition of Bernoulli numbers for fractional indices. There is no consensus on these topics, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various definitions and properties related to complex numbers and Bernoulli numbers, indicating potential limitations in the assumptions made about these concepts.

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Hello it has been more than three months since i don,t post now here are my questions...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

a)the number [tex]i=\sqrt{-1}[/tex] is it bigger or smaller than 0?..

b)we know we can define the Bernoulli numbers as the Taylor expansion of the function [tex]\frac{x}{e^{x}-1}[/tex] my question is how would we define for example the Bernoulli number [tex]B_{1/2}[/tex] ?..

hope someone can answer...
 
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You cannot define "order" for complex number the "usual" way you define that for real number. For real number, the order relation has some special properties that the product of two positive numbers is positive, the product of two negative numbers is also positive, the product of a positive number and a negative is negative, the sum of negative numbers is negative and the sum of positive numbers is positive. That's the "usual" properties we look at when ordering real numbers. Can you define two sets "positive complex" and "negative complex" numbers in a meaningful way and get similar relations?
 
As my 1st year lecturer once commented sounded very much like a football (that's soccer if you're American) chant : 'There's only one complete ordered field', that being the Reals.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BernoulliNumber.html implies there is no notion of fractional Bernoulli numbers, and that you're also using an 'old' definition.
 
I can choose to define (total) orderings on C such that i is greater than 0 or less than zero. Surely that tells you to reexamine your question? In anycase, tying this into the other other posts, there is no way of defining an order that is consistent with the field structure (ie so that a>b and c>0 implies ac>bc, in particular look at squaring i)
 
eljose said:
b)we know we can define the Bernoulli numbers as the Taylor expansion of the function [tex]\frac{x}{e^{x}-1}[/tex] my question is how would we define for example the Bernoulli number [tex]B_{1/2}[/tex] ?..

hope someone can answer...
What reason do you have for thinking that Bernoulli numbers are defined for fractional index?
 
But another question let be the identity:

[tex]( \sqrt(-2)+1)(\sqrt(-2)-1)=-3[/tex] that can be re-written as:

[tex]\sqrt(-2)-1=\frac{-3}{\sqrt(-2)-1+2}[/tex]

so from this we could obtain a continued fraction approach to (-2)^{0.5}
 

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