What are some less famous equations that you must know as an undergraduate physicist?

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This discussion focuses on identifying lesser-known yet significant equations that signify mastery in various fields of physics for undergraduate students. Key examples include the relativistic formulation of Maxwell's equations, the Hamiltonian mechanics equation, and the Planck blackbody function. Participants suggest additional equations such as the Navier-Stokes equations, Fourier and Laplace transforms, and the fluctuation-dissipation theorem. The overarching goal is to create a checklist of equations that represent advanced understanding in physics, moving beyond commonly known equations like Schrödinger's equation.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Maxwell's equations and their relativistic formulation
  • Familiarity with Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics
  • Knowledge of statistical mechanics, particularly the Planck blackbody function
  • Basic concepts in quantum mechanics, including the Schrödinger equation
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the Boltzmann transport equation for insights into statistical mechanics
  • Explore the fluctuation-dissipation theorem in the context of thermodynamics
  • Study linear response theory and its applications in physics
  • Investigate the significance of the Dirac Delta function in quantum mechanics
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Undergraduate physics students, educators developing advanced curricula, and anyone interested in deepening their understanding of physics through lesser-known equations.

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I was thinking of writing a motivational essay for physics undergrads where I provide a list of equations which have the property of telling you when you mastered (at undergraduate/early graduate level) a field of physics. Here are some examples:
  • Electromagnetism: ##{\partial}^2 A^{\sigma} = \mu_{0} \, J^{\sigma}##, it shows that you master all of Maxwell's equations, potentials and you have written them in relativistic formulation
  • Mechanics: ##\{f, g\} = \sum_{i=1}^{N} \left( \frac{\partial f}{\partial q_{i}} \frac{\partial g}{\partial p_{i}} - \frac{\partial f}{\partial p_i} \frac{\partial g}{\partial q_i}\right).##, it shows that you have gone beyond Newtonian mechanics, into Lagrangian, and past it into Hamiltonian mechanics. Alternative it could be Hamilton-Jacobi equations.
I am looking for equivalents for thermodynamics/statistical mechanics (maybe the grand canonical partition function?), special relativity (a relativistic field Hamiltonian? stress-energy tensor?), non-relativistic quantum mechanics (maybe Bell's theorem?, von Neumann's equation?). I am just trying to find iconic but not so common that you could find it in popular science videos on famous equations. Any suggestions are welcome.

Extra points if you have any other idea like these for other advanced topics condensed matter, general relativity, quantum field theory and so on (or for a subdivision of the topics like Newtonian mechanics or thermodynamics). The idea is that when you reach one of those equations you know you mastered and it's time to go into something different or more advanced.
 
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to be cynical, why does knowing an equation make you a master?

you will make a more insightful article by explaining just 1 equation, rather than 50 equations...
(we have wikipedia for that)
 
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ergospherical said:
to be cynical, why does knowing an equation make you a master?

you will make a more insightful article by explaining just 1 equation, rather than 50 equations...
(we have wikipedia for that)
It is more like a checklist, it is about making a list of goals. Listing topics is already widely used, I was thinking about proposing something different.
 
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This does beg the question: when do you really understand an equation?

But I'll toss in some of votes:
- Schrödinger, of course
- E2=(pc)2+(mc2)2 plus all the ## \gamma ## stuff.
- Navier-Stokes
- Fourier & Laplace transforms.
- Maybe Stokes' & Green's theorems?
- Something from basic statistics, probably definitions. Like χ2?
- KVL & KCL. Yes, they are included in Maxwell's, but they are simple and everyone knows and uses them at some point.

Yes, some are really just math, but every physicists uses those.
 
DaveE said:
This does beg the question: when do you really understand an equation?

But I'll toss in some of votes:
- Schrödinger, of course
- E2=(pc)2+(mc2)2 plus all the ## \gamma ## stuff.
- Navier-Stokes
- Fourier & Laplace transforms.
- Maybe Stokes' & Green's theorems?
- Something from basic statistics, probably definitions. Like χ2?
- KVL & KCL. Yes, they are included in Maxwell's, but they are simple and everyone knows and uses them at some point.

Yes, some are really just math, but every physicists uses those.
Again the idea is to use less well known equations, Schrödinger equation can be found in t-shirts, same with Einstein's energy-mass relation. I want end-of-course equations not the main equation. Fourier and Laplace transforms and Green's theorem are kind of that but not specific to any physics course.
 
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DaveE said:
Or just steal it from the web. There's lots of potential victims...
https://physics.info/equations/
The Physics Hypertexbook does not even cite my examples.
 
Oops, sorry. I missed the part about your equations being obscure. I'm not sure why you want that, it seems like an arbitrary requirement for an undergraduate physics knowledge metric. But, good luck. Please share your list with us when you're done.
 
DaveE said:
Oops, sorry. I missed the part about your equations being obscure. I'm not sure why you want that, it seems like an arbitrary requirement for an undergraduate physics knowledge metric. But, good luck. Please share your list with us when you're done.
I would not qualify them as obscure, any modern physicist will recognize these equations. These equations indicate the final topics that you encounter before graduation.
 
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Included in the list should be the Planck blackbody function ## L(\lambda, T)=\frac{2 hc^2}{\lambda^5(\exp(\frac{hc}{\lambda k_b T})- 1)} ## along with ## \int\limits_0^{+\infty} L(\lambda, T) \, d \lambda=\frac{\sigma T^4}{\pi} ##.

You could even include ## \sigma=(\pi^2/60)(k_b^4/(\hbar^3 c^2) ##.
 
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Charles Link said:
Included in the list should be the Planck blackbody function ## L(\lambda, T)=\frac{2 hc^2}{\lambda^5(\exp{\frac{hc}{\lambda k_b T}}- 1)} ## along with ## \int\limits_0^{+\infty} L(\lambda, T) \, d \lambda=\frac{\sigma T^4}{\pi} ##.

You could even include ## \sigma=(\pi^2/60)(k_b^4/(\hbar^3 c^2) ##.
That's a formula that you learn at the beginning of quantum mechanics not at the end.
 
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pines-demon said:
That's a formula that you learn at the beginning of quantum mechanics not at the end.
Not sure if you are giving it a thumbs up or a thumbs down, but IMO the 3 of these are really very useful, especially for someone at the advanced undergraduate level.
 
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Charles Link said:
Not sure if you are giving it a thumbs up or a thumbs down, but IMO the 3 of these are really very useful, especially for someone at the advanced undergraduate level.
I was looking for end course equations.
 
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pines-demon said:
I was looking for end course equations.
I don't think that I saw the second and third formulas until I was a graduate student. I don't think today's students are any more advanced than my generation was 40+ years ago=at least in the Statistical Physics realm. The three formulas kind of go together, but they weren't introduced to us that way=we all saw the Planck formula first, but very sparingly.
 
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Charles Link said:
I don't think that I saw the second and third formulas until I was a graduate student. I don't think today's students are any more advanced than my generation was 40+ years ago=at least in the Statistical Physics realm.
Some do. Anyway, Planck's law is at the beginning of any modern physics course.
 
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I tried. Maybe someone else can give you something that you might be looking for.
 
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Boltzmann transport equation
Fluctuation-dissipation theorem
 
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Let me try one more: Linear response theory
## V_{out}(t)=\int\limits_{-\infty}^{t} m(t-t')V_{in}(t') \, dt' ##
with ## \tilde{V}_{out}(\omega)=\tilde{m}(\omega) \tilde{V}_{in}(\omega) ##.

Edit: With Fourier transform ## \tilde{F}(\omega)=\int\limits_{-\infty}^{+\infty} F(t) \exp(-i \omega t) \, dt ##
and inverse transform ## F(t)=\frac{1}{2 \pi} \int\limits_{-\infty}^{+\infty} \tilde{F}(\omega) \exp(i \omega t) \, d \omega ##.
 
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Dirac Delta function ?
 
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MidgetDwarf said:
Dirac Delta function ?
Physics equations not just functions.
 
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pines-demon said:
That's a formula that you learn at the beginning of quantum mechanics not at the end.
Is there an end to quantum mechanics?
 
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bob012345 said:
Is there an end to quantum mechanics?
Undergrad quantum mechanics, yes.
 
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