What are the absolute extrema of the given function on the given set?

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The discussion revolves around finding the absolute extrema of the function f(x,y) = x² + 4y² + 3x - 1 within the set D defined by the inequality x² + y² ≤ 4. Participants are exploring critical points and boundary conditions related to this problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss finding critical points by taking partial derivatives and evaluating them within the defined region. There is uncertainty about how to handle the circular boundary of the region D and whether extrema can occur on the perimeter.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified a critical point and evaluated the function at that point, while others are questioning the correctness of their evaluations. There is an ongoing exploration of how to incorporate the boundary condition into their calculations, with some guidance provided on setting y in terms of x for the circular boundary.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the closed boundary defined by a circle and the need to find extrema both inside and on the boundary of the region D. There is also mention of potential errors in function evaluations and derivative calculations.

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Homework Statement



Find the absolute extrema of the function on the set D.

f(x,y)= x^2 + 4y^2 + 3x -1

D= {(x,y) l x^2 + y^2 ≤ 4}

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



The only thing I've done so far was find the critical point. I found f-sub x = 2x+3 and f-suby= 8y giving me a critical point of (-3/2,0), correct?

Using that critical point, I found f(-3/2,0) = -1

After that, I don't know how to proceed. I know -2 ≤ x ≤ 2 and -2 ≤ y ≤ 2 but how do I find the other critical numbers with that info? I'm unsure because the closed boundary graph is a circle and not a square, box, or triangular region.
 
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Reefy said:

Homework Statement



Find the absolute extrema of the function on the set D.

f(x,y)= x^2 + 4y^2 + 3x -1

D= {(x,y) l x^2 + y^2 ≤ 4}

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



The only thing I've done so far was find the critical point. I found f-sub x = 2x+3 and f-suby= 8y giving me a critical point of (-3/2,0), correct?

Using that critical point, I found f(-3/2,0) = -1

f(-3/2) is not equal to -1.

Reefy said:
After that, I don't know how to proceed. I know -2 ≤ x ≤ 2 and -2 ≤ y ≤ 2 but how do I find the other critical numbers with that info? I'm unsure because the closed boundary graph is a circle and not a square, box, or triangular region.

The absolute extreme can be on the perimeter. Find the critical point with the condition that x2+y2=4.

ehild
 
ehild said:
f(-3/2) is not equal to -1.

Ah, you're right, thank you. For that, I got -13/4.

ehild said:
The absolute extreme can be on the perimeter. Find the critical point with the condition that x2+y2=4.

ehild

So set y=√(4-x^2) ? and find f(x,√(4-x^2)). Then find values of x and use the result to find y. Then find critical numbers? Because that's what I did but it didn't seem right.
 
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Reefy said:

Homework Statement



Find the absolute extrema of the function on the set D.

f(x,y)= x^2 + 4y^2 + 3x -1

D= {(x,y) l x^2 + y^2 ≤ 4}

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



The only thing I've done so far was find the critical point. I found f-sub x = 2x+3 and f-suby= 8y giving me a critical point of (-3/2,0), correct?

Using that critical point, I found f(-3/2,0) = -1

After that, I don't know how to proceed. I know -2 ≤ x ≤ 2 and -2 ≤ y ≤ 2 but how do I find the other critical numbers with that info? I'm unsure because the closed boundary graph is a circle and not a square, box, or triangular region.

You have found the global minimum of f, subject to g = x^2 + y^2 <= 4. (although your f is wrong while your (x,y) is correct). However, an extremum can also be a maximum, and you have not yet found that.
 
Reefy said:
Ah, you're right, thank you. For that, I got -13/4.
That is right.

Reefy said:
So set y=√(4-x^2) ? and find f(x,√(4-x^2)). Then find values of x and use the result to find y. Then find critical numbers? Because that's what I did but it didn't seem right.

Show your work.

ehild
 
Thanks, guys! I got it now. I forgot to take the derivative of f(x,√(4-x^2)).

Instead of finding the derivative, I found x and y of f(x,√(4-x^2)) and plugged it into the original function which was wrong.
 

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