What are the advantages of having two nostrils?

[Monique]

Something struck me as weird yesterday, every animal that I know of has two nostrils. Why? Why is a single large nostril not sufficient?

Nasal congestion might be an answer, but in my experience the congestion affects both nostrils at the same time, so you're still not able to breath through the nose.

 

[mgb_phys]

I assumed it was to tell the direction of a smell - like two eyes or two ears

 

[Andy Resnick]

Ha! Sesame Street recently had a segment where they asked if every animal had two nostrils.

*Dolphins* have one nostril. Whales, too.

 

[Borek]

I can be wrong, but from the videos I have seen I feel like whales - even if they have technically one nostril - seem to have something like nasal septum, so their airduct is still split in half.

 

[Monique]

Ha! Sesame Street recently had a segment where they asked if every animal had two nostrils.

*Dolphins* have one nostril. Whales, too.

You watch Sesame Street?

A whale has a single blowhole through which they breathe, but do they also have a sensory organ in there that detects scents?

mgb_phys, if it were for determining the directionality of smell, wouldn't it be very inconvenient to have them right next to each other, only separated by a septum? The eyes and ears are separated for a reason. I don't know of any animal that has nostrils that are located far apart, they are all part of the same nose. Dogs are supposed to have a really good sense of smell, but if they follow a trail they move their head in order to sense directionality.

 

[mgb_phys]

Presumably whatever worm type thing we evolved from had a nostril on each side and in the water that mattered. It's less of an advantage in air - and we (and dogs) can always move our heads to find the source.
It's probably the mechanics of keeping them open that stop them merging completely.

 

[Moonbear]

Embryologically, our entire head develops as two separate halves, and then fuses in the middle later. So, we have two nostrils for the same reason we have two eyes. This is also the same process that fuses the palate and lips together from both sides (that's why you have that little indentation in your upper lip just below your nose), and why disruption of that process leads to defects like cleft lip or cleft palate.

 

[Monique]

But a single nostril would also be symmetrical. A nose with a single opening could be created in the same way that a mouth is, right?. There are embryonic defects that result in the creation of a single nostril or a single eye, so it is biologically not impossible to create one.

 

[Q_Goest]

Embryologically, our entire head develops as two separate halves, and then fuses in the middle later.

No kidding? I've always wondered if my head fused properly...

But a single nostril would also be symmetrical. A nose with a single opening could be created in the same way that a mouth is, right?. There are embryonic defects that result in the creation of a single nostril or a single eye, so it is biologically not impossible to create one.

Interesting question. Can I ask a stupid one? Are our X chromosomes symetrical? I've always assumed they are not symetrical at all, but never really thought to ask.

 

[mgb_phys]

But a single nostril would also be symmetrical. A nose with a single opening could be created in the same way that a mouth is, right?.

But you would have more difficulty breathing since there wouldn't be a septum to keep it open,
It would have to evolve to be smaller or have more cartilage in the nose part - which aren't really evolutionary advantages.

 

[Andy Resnick]

You watch Sesame Street?

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Absolutely- I have a 2.5 year old. Seems like you should watch it, too. :)

 

[Andy Resnick]

I can be wrong, but from the videos I have seen I feel like whales - even if they have technically one nostril - seem to have something like nasal septum, so their airduct is still split in half.

according to http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/whales/anatomy/Blowhole.shtml

"Why do some whales have one blowhole and some have two?
Most mammals have two nostrils (blowhole equivalents). One of the nostrils (air-passages) of toothed whales evolved into their echolocation system (the sensing system in which they make and receive high-pitched sounds in order to orient themselves, catch prey, and communicate), leaving them with only one blowhole. "

 

[Proton Soup]

Something struck me as weird yesterday, every animal that I know of has two nostrils. Why? Why is a single large nostril not sufficient?

Nasal congestion might be an answer, but in my experience the congestion affects both nostrils at the same time, so you're still not able to breath through the nose.

we have different experiences.

my guess (and that's all it is) is that since a primary purpose of breathing through the nose is to warm and humidify the air, a septum increases surface area and makes the process more efficient. evolving a single nostril, unlike a single mouth, would be maladaptive.

i think mgb_phys' "worm" is actually the http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=875863" . and contrary to that story, they are a lovely thing to have in a home aquarium, where they really aren't pesky at all.

 

[mgb_phys]

i think mgb_phys' "worm" is actually the http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=875863" . and contrary to that story, they are a lovely thing to have in a home aquarium, where they really aren't pesky at all.

Sea squirts are also known as "tenured worms"
As juveniles they are free swimming with a backbone and simple brain, when they find somewhere permanent to land they become fixed to the rock, their backbone and brain dissolves and they develop a thick skin.

 

[Proton Soup]

Sea squirts are also known as "tenured worms"
As juveniles they are free swimming with a backbone and simple brain, when they find somewhere permanent to land they become fixed to the rock, their backbone and brain dissolves and they develop a thick skin.

lol. i think i originally heard that joke as a sea cucumber, tho.

 

[Borek]

As juveniles they are free swimming with a backbone and simple brain, when they find somewhere permanent to land they become fixed to the rock, their backbone and brain dissolves and they develop a thick skin.

Are you sure it is about worms? I know a lot of people that fit the description.

 

[croghan27]

Embryologically, our entire head develops as two separate halves, and then fuses in the middle later. So, we have two nostrils for the same reason we have two eyes. This is also the same process that fuses the palate and lips together from both sides (that's why you have that little indentation in your upper lip just below your nose), and why disruption of that process leads to defects like cleft lip or cleft palate.

Interesting point - I did not know that. Still the question remains why two nostrils - we do not have two mouths and supposedly they (it) developed out of the separate halves you mention.

If the nose retained the double orifice, and the mouth did not there must be some other explanation for our current situation.

 

[hypatia]

While we only have one mouth, just about every thing in our mouths are a mirror image of each side from teeth, taste buds and tonsil's.
The sense of taste {sweet, sour, salty} is very complex, requiring both nose and mouth. But we really only need one way to fill our stomaches.

 

[DaveC426913]

But a single nostril would also be symmetrical. A nose with a single opening could be created in the same way that a mouth is, right?.

Bilateral symmetry.

I expect that the mouth parts developed very early in evolution, before bilateral symmetry, when creautres were very simple in design. But specialized nostrils developed later, after bilateral symmetry was adopted by the more complex organisms.

 

[croghan27]

While we only have one mouth, just about every thing in our mouths are a mirror image of each side from teeth, taste buds and tonsil's.
The sense of taste {sweet, sour, salty} is very complex, requiring both nose and mouth. But we really only need one way to fill our stomaches.

hypatia, that occurred to me as I made the comment - that the mouth, without a mouthy septum, is very symmetrical and balanced. But that still does not answer the original question. Howcome we got two nostrils?

If we are talking about historical priority - then smell has it all over the others, as it is connected to the oldest part of the brain - just about the top of the stem (backbone). We could smell before we could see. Certainly it has had time to get involved in many other things beside just identifying odours - as you say, taste being just one. But could this not be accomplished with a single (maybe whale-like) nose hole?

oh - hypatia - how is your father Theon? Is he still in that little place in Alexandria?

 

[DaveC426913]

If we are talking about historical priority - then smell has it all over the others,

Right so smell may have developed first, but still after bilateral symmetry. The mouth, on the other hand, was developed even earlier.

 

[Ouabache]

Embryologically, our entire head develops as two separate halves, and then fuses in the middle later. So, we have two nostrils for the same reason we have two eyes.

Bilateral symmetry.

We can understand this in terms of their morphology, but it does not explain any advantage over having a single nostril.

Nasal congestion might be an answer.

You may be onto something Monique. Although I've experienced congestion simultaneously in both nostrils; more often when one nostril is congested, the other remains clear. (e.g. I am currently recovering from a cold and while my left nostril is congested, the right is clear).

 

[alxm]

We can understand this in terms of their morphology, but it does not explain any advantage over having a single nostril.

Why would there be an advantage?

Or put it this way.. Given the overall symmetry and so on going on, it seems reasonable to think that it was easier to evolve two symmetrical nostrils rather than a single one. So what benefit would a single nostril give to warrant this change?

 

[Monique]

Why would there be an advantage?

Or put it this way.. Given the overall symmetry and so on going on, it seems reasonable to think that it was easier to evolve two symmetrical nostrils rather than a single one. So what benefit would a single nostril give to warrant this change?

I really don't understand this argument, why would it be easier to create two nostrils than one? We have a single nasal cavity, a circle has a perfect bilateral symmetry.

 

[Monique]

I've found this: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v402/n6757/full/402035a0.html". It is a bit old so there may be newer studies, but it is interesting.

 

[Borek]

Right so smell may have developed first, but still after bilateral symmetry.

I think it may depend on what we would call smell. For sure it is one of two chemical senses - the other one being taste.

In the case of air breathing animals smell seems to be connected with detection of molecules dispersed in the air. Here nasal cavity of some kind is a must.

Is there a smell in the case of water animals? If not, smell could not evolve before life left water, that's relatively high on the evolution tree. At the same time in water chemical senses (taste? smell?) were probably present from the very beginning, wiki states that they are aleady present in Cnidaria - that's before bilateral symmetry. Do we classify them as smelling animals?

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[croghan27]

I've found this: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v402/n6757/full/402035a0.html". It is a bit old so there may be newer studies, but it is interesting.

That is a good and salient article, Monique - the boots on the feet of a Vandal in a rugby game solved the problem of switching from one nostril to another for me and deviated my septum - as well, to make a pun, a big problem it isnot. (so to speak).

It may be to the point or not, but whales and proposes (porpi) have only one orifice for breathing (along with the mouth) - but the utility of a sense of smell to them would be marginal, as their milieu is aquatic, not gaseous.

However, they are mammals and as such, as has been pointed out before, their 'heads' must have developed in way similar to ours: separate entities that came together - so their single hole and our twin nostrils would seem to have a Darwinian genesis. Their shape or number is the result of natural selection.

 

[DaveC426913]

Bilateral symmetry.

We can understand this in terms of their morphology, but it does not explain any advantage over having a single nostril.

Why do you assume there is an advantage? Not everything in our morphology is a result of recent evolutionary change. Many things we take for granted are intrinsic to our deep evolutionary past.

 

[DaveC426913]

Is there a smell in the case of water animals?

Absolutely!

Smell is a critical sense in most marine animals, arguably even more than land animals, due to the issue of reduced vision and sound.

Ask any shark or other fish.

 

[Borek]

Is there a smell in the case of water animals?

Absolutely!

Smell is a critical sense in most marine animals, arguably even more than land animals, due to the issue of reduced vision and sound.

I think we are not talking about the same thing. I have no doubts that chemical senses are extremally important in water, however, I am not sure how to differentiate between smell and taste in this case. So, when I am asking whether water animals have a sense of smell it is more semantics than biology.

However, assuming they have smell, it is older than bilateral symmetry, as obviously it is present in Cnidaria - and as far as I can tell they predate bilateral symmetry.

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