What are the differences between an object with mass 0 and mass > 0 ?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between objects with zero mass, such as photons, and those with mass greater than zero. Participants explore concepts related to energy, acceleration, and the behavior of light, touching on both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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  • One participant expresses misunderstandings about the behavior of light and seeks clarification on the differences between massless objects and those with mass.
  • Another participant suggests that the differences are typically understood in terms of total energy.
  • It is proposed that massless objects require no energy to accelerate, which raises questions about the application of Newtonian reasoning in this context.
  • A participant speculates that once a massless object, like a photon, is created, it will always move at the speed of light (C), regardless of the energy input during its creation.
  • This same participant discusses the relationship between energy, acceleration, and wave patterns, suggesting that added energy affects the wave's characteristics without changing its speed.
  • There is a mention of Zeno's paradox in relation to mass conversion to energy and the implications for reaching zero mass.

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The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved, particularly regarding the implications of mass and energy on acceleration and the behavior of light.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and uncertainty, particularly in relation to the application of Newtonian physics to massless objects and the implications of energy on wave behavior.

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Because for myself I had some misunderstandings about the behaviour of light.

What are the differences between an object (photon) with a mass 0 and an object with a mass > 0 ?

I know already that both are sensible for other speeds in a another direction e.g. the photons of light (vertical beam) has the same x speed in a train (light source in train) as a basket ball, except the speed of light in it's own direction is always c ...
 
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The differences are usually understood in terms of total energy.
 
Objects with no mass requires no energy to accelerate. Think about that for a second.
 
Flatland said:
Objects with no mass requires no energy to accelerate. Think about that for a second.
You can't use Newtonian reasoning here, and that is implicitly what you are doing.
 
Correct me if I am wrong here as I probably am.

But, once an object of pure energy and no mass, e.g. a photon, has been created, it will be moving at C no matter the amount of energy put into the creation of said photon. No matter if it's the entire universe converted to energy or a single proton converted to pure energy. The added energy is converted to acceleration which causes the Sin wave pattern to become more tightly packed. The added acceleration causes more Force to be behind it, but the speed cannot exceed C.

So as you approach 0 matter converted to energy the speed of C will continue to be C, but the Sin wave will just continue to approach a flatline still moving at C. Zeno's paradox prevents us from reaching 0 but we can infinitely cut the amount of mass converted to pure energy by 2.

For all intent and purpose you can say that 0 mass converted to energy will yield you a photon that is at a perfect flat line with no wave patterns. Thus the Newtonian physics will hold true.

Like I said, probably wrong, but that's how I understand it to work without delving into quantum mechanics and all that crazy stuff.
 

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