What Are the Dynamics of Two Objects in Motion with No Friction?

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of two objects in motion, specifically focusing on an object B sliding on top of object A, which is being pulled with an acceleration A and experiencing no friction. Participants are exploring various aspects of the problem, including forces acting on the objects and the conditions for object B to remain on object A.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on object B, including normal force, gravitational force, and inertial force. They explore the conditions under which object B remains in contact with object A, questioning the implications of the normal force being zero.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints and suggestions for simplification, while others have raised questions about the use of terms and the frame of reference. There appears to be a productive exchange regarding the interpretation of the problem, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of all proposed solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential confusion arising from the dual use of the letter A for both an object and an acceleration. There is also an ongoing examination of the assumptions made regarding the forces and the setup of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Object B with mass m is sliding on an object A with mass M. Object A is being pulled by a string with acceleration A. There is no friction. (Picture Uploaded)

1) Find the maximum value of A that allows m to stay on M (sliding)
2) Find the x and y value of the acceleration of object B
3) In this case, what is the value of the force T (the force that is pulling Object A)
4) Find the value of the normal force F that is acting on object A.
5) As an alternate version of this question, suppose that force T was given instead of acceleration A.

Homework Equations



Newton's Law; F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution



1) In the case of object B, there are three forces; the normal force N, mg and inertia mA
setting a new coordinate with X and Y where Y is perpendicular to the hypotenuse and X perpendicular to Y, I showed that acceleration in Y direction must equal 0 and the A in this case is the A for 1). The answer I got was (mgcosθ-N)/msinθ

2) Using the coordinate and the forces from 1), I figured out that X direction of the acceleration equals mAcosθ+mgcosθ. The angle between X and x is θ, so x direction would be -(mAcosθ+mgsinθ)cosθ, and y direction would be -(mAcosθ+mgsinθ)sinθ

3) Because there is only one force given from the outside, which is T, T=∑ma for a in the x direction.
T=-(mAcosθ+mgsinθ)cosθ+MA

4) Normal force equals the force acting on the surface which is object B's force in the y direction
F=(mAcosθ+mgsinθ)sinθ
5) This would be a simple change, just writing the answer from 3) like A= f(T)

Overall I have tried to solve all these and came up with answers. But I'm not sure if they are correct.
If someone could check them I would be grateful.
 

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bubblewrap said:
1) Find the maximum value of A that allows m to stay on M (sliding)

bubblewrap said:
1) In the case of object B, there are three forces; the normal force N, mg and inertia mA
setting a new coordinate with X and Y where Y is perpendicular to the hypotenuse and X perpendicular to Y, I showed that acceleration in Y direction must equal 0 and the A in this case is the A for 1). The answer I got was (mgcosθ-N)/msinθ

You can simplify that further.

Hint: If object B is "only just" in contact with A (eg it's just about to leave the surface) what is the value of N ?
 
bubblewrap said:
1) In the case of object B, there are three forces; the normal force N, mg and inertia mA
This is rather confusing because A is being used both as the label on an object and as an acceleration. I assume you mean an inertial force ma, where a is the acceleration of A.
Looks like you are using a noninertial frame here. It would help if you were to state that at the start.
 
Once simplified the answer just looks more obviously correct :-)
 
CWatters said:
Once simplified the answer just looks more obviously correct :-)
Then N=0 so A=g/tanθ?
 
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bubblewrap said:
Then N=0 so A=g/tanθ?
Looks right to me.
 
and me.
 
How about the rest? Are they correct as well?
 

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