What Are the Eigenvalues and Eigenfunctions of the Operators x d/dx and d/dx x?

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The discussion revolves around finding the eigenvalues and eigenfunctions of the operators \( x \frac{d}{dx} \) and \( \frac{d}{dx} x \) acting on functions of a real variable \( x \) for \( x > 0 \). Participants are exploring the implications of these operators in the context of differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the eigenvalue equation and its formulation as a differential equation. There are attempts to clarify what it means for a function to be an eigenfunction of the operator and what specific equations must be satisfied. Some suggest trying specific forms for the eigenfunctions, such as \( f(x) = x^k \).

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning each other's understanding and clarifying the formulation of the eigenvalue equation. There is a mix of attempts to solve the differential equation and some uncertainty about the initial steps. Hints have been provided to guide the exploration of solutions.

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Some participants express a lack of recent experience with differential equations, indicating potential gaps in their understanding of the topic. There is also a suggestion that the discussion may lean more towards mathematical mechanics than physical principles.

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a) Consider the operator x d/dx(where 1st d/dx acts on the function, then x acts on the resulting function by simply multiplying by x )acting on the set of functions of a real variable x for x>0. What are the eigenvalues and the corresponding eigenfunctions of this operator?

b) What about d/dx x (where 1st x acts on the function, then d/dx acts upon the resulting function)? What are the eigenvaules and corresponding eigenfunctions for this?
 
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Write down the eigenvalue equation. This will be a differential equation, which you will need to solve..
 
i don't think i quite understand what you are saying
 
What does it mean for a function f to be an eigenvalue of x(d/dx)? What equation must it satisfy?
 
if L is an opertaor than
L[f(x)]=cf(x); where f(x) is an eigenfunction and c is an eigenvalue
 
Exactly. What equation do you get when you plug in the L you are given.
Do you have any idea how to solve this?
 
x d/dx[f(x)]=cf(x)...not really
 
OK, hint: try f(x) = x^k for some k
 
eit32 said:
x d/dx[f(x)]=cf(x)...not really

Why "not really"? This is correct!

In other words,

x y' = c y

where a prime indicates a derivative with respect to x and c is some constant. This is a simple differential equation, right? Can you solve it?
 
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kdv said:
Why "not really"? This is correct!



x y' = c x

I think you meant

<br /> x y&#039; = c y<br />
 
  • #11
kamerling said:
I think you meant

<br /> x y&#039; = c y<br />

Yes indeed. Thanks for pointing out the typo. I will correct this in my post so that it does not confuse the OP.

Thanks!
 
  • #12
yeah, i took D.E. like 3 years ago and I'm a bit hazy on the details...it looks familar but I'm not really sure where to start it
 
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eit32 said:
yeah, i took D.E. like 3 years ago and I'm a bit hazy on the details...it looks familar but I'm not really sure where to start it

It's a separable DE...

x \frac{dy}{dx} = c y \rightarrow \frac{dy}{y} = c \frac{dx}{x}

You only need to integrate both sides
 
  • #14
Considering the quantity and type of posts you've put up at this site, eit32, you may want to dust off your DEq and linear algebra books, because most of your questions deal more with the mechanics of math operations rather than physical principles themselves.
 

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