What are the expectation values for position and momentum in states Ψ0 and Ψ1?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the expectation values for position and momentum in quantum states Ψ0 and Ψ1, specifically addressing question 2.2 from a homework assignment. Participants are exploring the implications of their calculations and the nature of the functions involved.

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  • Participants are attempting to compute expectation values using integration by parts and are questioning the validity of their results, particularly the outcome of zero for both position and momentum. There is a discussion about the nature of the functions involved, specifically the parity of the wave functions and their derivatives.

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Some participants have provided insights into the reasoning behind their calculations, noting that the integrals yield zero due to the properties of odd and even functions. However, there is still uncertainty regarding the correctness of these results and whether the conclusion of zero expectation values is appropriate.

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Participants express concern over the implications of obtaining zero expectation values, suggesting a potential misunderstanding or error in their calculations. The discussion is framed within the context of quantum mechanics and the properties of wave functions.

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For question 2.2:

0|p|Ψ0> = ∫Ψ0 -iħ d/dx(Ψ0) =M

Using Integration by parts i get:

M = -Ψ0 iħ d/dx(Ψ0) (assuming hilbert space)

Implying the expectation values for momentum are zero , however i get all the expectation values are zero for x and momentum in both states which makes no sense :(
 
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Somali_Physicist said:
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For question 2.2:

0|p|Ψ0> = ∫Ψ0 -iħ d/dx(Ψ0) =M

Using Integration by parts i get:

M = -Ψ0 iħ d/dx(Ψ0) (assuming hilbert space)

Implying the expectation values for momentum are zero , however i get all the expectation values are zero for x and momentum in both states which makes no sense :(
I don't know whether that's correct for this question, as I haven't checked; but, why do you think it makes no sense?
 
PeroK said:
I don't know whether that's correct for this question, as I haven't checked; but, why do you think it makes no sense?
Because everything being zero normally means I am wrong.
 
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I worked out 2.2 abit and also I got that the expectation values for position and momentum for state ##\psi_0## are zero. And I think the same hold for state ##\psi_1##. It is because we always get a product of an odd and an even function in the integrals (since ##\psi_0## is even, ##\psi_0'## is odd ,##\psi_0''## is even and x is odd). So at the very end we get integrals of an odd function which gives zero.
 
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