What are the forces involved in this physics problem?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving forces, specifically tension and friction, in a scenario depicted in an image link. Participants are trying to understand the relationships between various forces acting on a system, including the weight (W) of a hanging mass and the forces exerted by strings and friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants express uncertainty about the problem's clarity and the meaning of specific terms in the equations presented. Some attempt to relate the weight of the hanging mass to the tension in the strings and question the assumptions regarding equilibrium and friction.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations being discussed. Some participants have provided insights into the forces at play, while others are questioning the clarity of the original question and the definitions used. No consensus has been reached, but there are productive lines of reasoning being explored.

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Participants note that the problem may involve friction and that the original poster has indicated a lack of prior experience with similar problems in class. There is also mention of the problem being posted in the wrong section, which may affect the context of the discussion.

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1. What does W=? ?
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9795/physicsproblemvs2.jpg



2. Not really too sure, but here are some I know:
Fa=Fb*Cos(Theta)b
Fg=Fa*Sin(Theta)a+Fb*Sin(Theta)b


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm completely clueless... We've never done anything in class with Friction and pulling on something involved in one Problem.

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I just found out this was posted in the Wrong Physics section... If a moderator or Admin. could be kind enough to move it that would be great:)
 
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Regardless of what forum the question was posted in the question still isn't very clear. W=mg for whatever m the hanging mass is. The tension T on all of those strings is equal, if they are strings.
 
godzillafan868 said:
1. What does W=? ?
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9795/physicsproblemvs2.jpg



2. Not really too sure, but here are some I know:
Fa=Fb*Cos(Theta)b
Fg=Fa*Sin(Theta)a+Fb*Sin(Theta)b


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm completely clueless... We've never done anything in class with Friction and pulling on something involved in one Problem.

EDIT:
I just found out this was posted in the Wrong Physics section... If a moderator or Admin. could be kind enough to move it that would be great:)

The only way I could make sense of the question is if it asks "what is W" if the block on the surface is just about to start sliding". In that case, the friction force on the block on the surface would be [itex]\mu_s n[/itex] where n is the weight of that block which is 80 N. This will also be the tension in the horizontal string.

I can't quite make sense of your equations since I don't know what "Sin(theta)a" means.
But consider the knot where all three strings are connected and impose that the net force along x and along y are both zero. That will give you two equations for two unknowns which are F_a and W.
 
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Dick said:
Regardless of what forum the question was posted in the question still isn't very clear. W=mg for whatever m the hanging mass is. The tension T on all of those strings is equal, if they are strings.

Hi Dick. Why do you say that the tension in all strings is the same?
 
Hi nrqed. Meant to say that the tension forces balance at the knot, not that they are equal.
 
This equation has to remain in equilibrium if that helps, but I just found out the answer today in class and it's 23.3.
 

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