What Are the Implications of the y,y'-Domain in Euler-Lagrange Equations?

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The discussion centers on the implications of the y,y'-domain in Euler-Lagrange equations, where y and y' are treated as independent variables. It clarifies that this domain is referred to as phase space, not the frequency domain, which is a separate concept. The relationship between y and y' is established through the differential equation y=f(x)y'. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding these distinctions for further exploration of the topic.

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In the Euler-Lagrange equations y and y' are independent variables, while for a given curve y(x), they are related by the differential equation y=f(x)y'. If you draw arbitrary curves on the y,y'-plane, it is immediately clear that most curves do not correspond to a curve y(x), is it fruitful to consider this domain further?
Why are y and y' independent variables? It looks like the y,y'-domain has a different name, perhaps the frequency domain?
 
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JanEnClaesen said:
It looks like the y,y'-domain has a different name, perhaps the frequency domain?
It's called phase space. Frequency domain is a different beast. Apply a Fourier transform to ##y(t)## you'll get ##\hat y(\omega)##. (Note well: nomenclature varies!)
 
Frequency domain occurred to me because the solution of y=f(x)y' is y=exp(int(f(x))), the frequency is also an argument of an exponential function. Why are y and y' independent variables?
 

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