What are the key concepts in Srednicki's explanation of Feynman diagrams in QFT?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding Feynman diagrams as explained in Srednicki's Quantum Field Theory (QFT) book, particularly focusing on the mathematical expressions and counting factors associated with these diagrams. Participants express confusion regarding specific equations, counting methods, and the relationship between different combinations of sources and derivatives in the context of Feynman diagrams.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the combinations represented by the expression (2P)!/(2P-3V)! and its connection to Feynman diagrams.
  • Another participant explains that the expression relates to counting how 3V derivatives can act on 2P sources, suggesting that Feynman diagrams simplify the underlying mathematics.
  • Discussion includes a specific case with values E=0, V=4, P=6, leading to a calculation of 479001600 combinations and a breakdown into classes represented by Feynman diagrams.
  • Participants question how to determine the number of combinations for individual Feynman diagrams and the role of counting factors such as 3!, V!, and P! in these calculations.
  • One participant notes that the Feynman diagrams discussed are all connected, while also mentioning the existence of disconnected diagrams that contribute to the total combinations.
  • Another participant highlights that symmetry factors are necessary for accurate counting but differ for each diagram, raising questions about their calculation and relevance to the equations presented in the book.
  • Further discussion involves the relationship between the number of delta functions and the terms resulting from the equations, with participants attempting to reconcile their calculations with Srednicki's claims.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the counting methods and symmetry factors in Feynman diagrams. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of Srednicki's explanations, and multiple competing views remain on how to approach the calculations and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of how counting factors and symmetry factors interact, as well as the implications of disconnected diagrams on the total number of combinations. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly in relating specific numerical results to Srednicki's equations.

  • #31
I see.

d(x1)d(x2)d(x3)d(w1)d(w2)d(w3) J(y1)J(z1)J(y2)J(z2)J(y3)J(z3)=
d(x1)d(x2)d(x3)d(w1)d(w2)[J(y1)J(z1)J(y2)J(z2)J(y3)Delta(w3-z3) +J(y1)J(z1)J(y2)J(z2)Delta(w3-y3)J(z3)+...]
=d(x1)d(x2)d(x3)d(w1)[J(y1)J(z1)J(y2)J(z2)Delta(w2-y3)Delta(w3-z3) +d(x1)d(x2)d(x3)d(w1)[J(y1)J(z1)J(y2)Delta(w2-z2)J(3)Delta(w3-z3)+..+ J(y1)J(z1)J(y2)J(z2)Delta(w3-y3)Delta(w2-z3)+...]= and so on

makes 6! terms

thank you!
 
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  • #32
Yes. But just to be absolutely clear on the notation, the delta's on the right-hand side are Dirac delta functions \delta^4(x-y) and not Feynman propagators \Delta(x-y).
 
  • #33
I was celebrating the last days that I had finally understood 9.11.

But as read on just two pages later, Srednicki hit me with it. Out of blue he is claiming, that what we have so far computed, which happened to be connected diagrams, are not the only contributions to Z(J). We also have to take account of products of several connected diagrams.

How can that be? When I look at 9.11, from where in the world should the need arise to form products of several connected diagrams?

thanks
 
  • #34
After some thought I see now what he means.

Silly question!
 
  • #35
I found a website that discusses the chapter you're on, though I'm not sure if it'll be helpful:

http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~dermisek/QFT/qft-II-1-4p.pdf
 
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  • #36
Great find, RedX!

Glad to know that you like the book, too.

I'm very soon entering the chapters on renormalization. Even though I try to take Srednicki's advice 'reading passages you don't get four times' more to heart, I will surely turn to physics forums for some more help.
 

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