What are the limitations of magnetisation for S=1/2 systems?

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The discussion centers on the limitations of magnetisation in S=1/2 systems, exploring the mathematical relationships and properties of spin operators. Participants examine the conditions under which magnetisation, denoted as σ, is constrained and the implications of these constraints on the behavior of the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the magnetisation σ must be less than 1/2 and seeks clarification on the positivity of the term \(\frac{1}{N}\sum_{\bf{k}}\langle\hat{S}^-\hat{S}^+\rangle_{\bf{k}}\).
  • Another participant suggests examining the matrix elements of the spin raising and lowering operators, providing a mathematical derivation that indicates the expectation value of certain operators is constrained between 0 and 1.
  • A participant reiterates the previous mathematical approach and inquires about the definitions of the operators \(\hat{\sigma}^+\) and \(\hat{\sigma}^-\) in relation to the spin operators.
  • One participant defines \(\sigma^{\pm}\) in terms of the Pauli matrices, indicating a connection to the spin operators.

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The discussion includes multiple viewpoints regarding the mathematical properties of the spin operators and their implications for magnetisation, with no consensus reached on the underlying assumptions or definitions.

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Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the positivity of the sum involving the spin operators, nor have they clarified the definitions of the operators involved, which may affect the conclusions drawn.

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If we have case

\sigma=\frac{1}{2}-\frac{1}{N}\sum_{\bf{k}}\langle\hat{S}^-\hat{S}^+\rangle_{\bf{k}}

where \sigma is magnetisation. How we know that \sigma must be less than \frac{1}{2}. Or why is

\frac{1}{N}\sum_{\bf{k}}\langle\hat{S}^-\hat{S}^+\rangle_{\bf{k}}>0

Thanks for your answer.
 
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Just look at the matrix elements of the spin raising and lowering operators.
Or alternatively, multiply out the spin operators to get

S^+ S^- = S^2 \sigma^+ \sigma^- = S^2 (\sigma_x^2 + \sigma_y^2 + 2\sigma_z)

The \sigma_i^2 matrix is the identity, so its expectation value is 1. \sigma_z has matrix elements of +1 and -1, so the quantity in the parentheses has to be between 0 and 4. S^2 is 1/4, so the result is between 0 and 1.
 
daveyrocket said:
Just look at the matrix elements of the spin raising and lowering operators.
Or alternatively, multiply out the spin operators to get

S^+ S^- = S^2 \sigma^+ \sigma^- = S^2 (\sigma_x^2 + \sigma_y^2 + 2\sigma_z)

The \sigma_i^2 matrix is the identity, so its expectation value is 1. \sigma_z has matrix elements of +1 and -1, so the quantity in the parentheses has to be between 0 and 4. S^2 is 1/4, so the result is between 0 and 1.

You use if I see well

\hat{S}^+=S\hat{\sigma}^+

\hat{S}^-=S\hat{\sigma}^-

and how you define \hat{\sigma}^+ and \hat{\sigma}^-?
 
\sigma^{\pm} = \sigma_x \pm i\sigma_y
 

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