What are the main paradoxes in Special Relativity?

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The discussion focuses on various paradoxes in Special Relativity, exploring claims and counterclaims regarding the implications of Lorentz transformations, the invariance of the speed of light, and the interpretation of energy and momentum in different reference frames. The scope includes theoretical considerations and challenges to mainstream physics perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss a paradox suggesting that Lorentz Transformation may be violated for two slow-moving observers observing a fast-moving lab system.
  • One participant references a paper arguing that energy and momentum are not Lorentz invariant independently, raising questions about the consistency of Special Relativity principles.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the invariance of the speed of light, suggesting that it may vary in different media, which they argue implies that absolute motion can be detected.
  • Some participants assert that the invariance of the speed of light has been well-established since Einstein's relativity, countering claims made in the referenced paper.
  • There are discussions about how different systems measure energy and mass, with some arguing that measurements can lead to inconsistencies for slow-moving observers.
  • A participant challenges the promotion of non-mainstream theories, emphasizing that the forum guidelines discourage such discussions.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the implications of Special Relativity, particularly concerning the invariance of the speed of light and the validity of Lorentz transformations. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

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Some claims depend on interpretations of experimental evidence and definitions of motion, which are not universally accepted. The discussion includes references to specific papers that may contain unresolved mathematical steps or assumptions.

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The intention here is to discuss paradoxes in Special relativity in mainstream physics, any idea?
 
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Hi koorsh.shahd, welcome to PF.

Please have a look at all of the many, many, many such threads in the relativity sub forum.
 
https://www.physicsforums.com/tags.php?tag=paradox
 
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Thanks, very good, also it happens to be another paradox, which arguments that Lorentz Transformation would be violated for two slow moving observers that observe a fast moving lab system.
Please check:
http://www.scipub.org/fulltext/pi/pi1153-56.pdf
 
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koorosh.shahd said:
Thanks, very good, also it happens to be another paradox, which arguments that Lorentz Transformation would be violated for two slow moving observers that observe a fast moving lab system.
Please check:
http://www.scipub.org/fulltext/pi/pi1153-56.pdf

This is from your paper,
... this means O’ and O” frames will measure the energy of created pairs differently which is inconsistent with Special Relativity principal.
I'm sure you are aware that energy and momentum are not Lorentz invariant independently, and have taken this into account.
 
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From the paper in post #5:

...so far there is no evidence that speed of light would be invariant in
vacuum regardless it is emitted form a stationary or moving body...



I thought that since Einstein's relativity the best evidence so far is that the speed of light IS invarient whether emitted from a stationary or moving body...

Note: That paper would benefit from editing to correct English usage.
 
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As regards: energy and momentum, imagine, different systems measure their own energy or mass with regards to their invariant mass, but other systems measure their energy increased relatively by ɣ for instance. In a moving system, the energy of the photon is also increased by same factor ɣ measured by a stationary system. So far so good as the energy is consistent with weather measured by the moving observer or stationary observer, so is the created pairs' masses. But considering the fact in above article this gets inconsistent for instance for the slow moving observers.

As regards the other statement that speed of light is invariant in vacuum, so far there is no evidence that can prove the opposite but the speed of light is variant in for instance in different gases with different densities and is measurable, this means that absolute motion is detectable and not relative as Einstein thought.
 
koorosh.shahd said:
As regards: energy and momentum, imagine, different systems measure their own energy or mass with regards to their invariant mass, but other systems measure their energy increased relatively by ɣ for instance. In a moving system, the energy of the photon is also increased by same factor ɣ measured by a stationary system. So far so good as the energy is consistent with weather measured by the moving observer or stationary observer, so is the created pairs' masses. But considering the fact in above article this gets inconsistent for instance for the slow moving observers.

As regards the other statement that speed of light is invariant in vacuum, so far there is no evidence that can prove the opposite but the speed of light is variant in for instance in different gases with different densities and is measurable, this means that absolute motion is detectable and not relative as Einstein thought.

Sorry it was a miss spelling "weather" should be "whether"
 
koorosh.shahd said:
As regards the other statement that speed of light is invariant in vacuum, so far there is no evidence that can prove the opposite but the speed of light is variant in for instance in different gases with different densities and is measurable, this means that absolute motion is detectable and not relative as Einstein thought.
No, this only allows you to detect motion relative to the gas, it doesn't pick out a preferred inertial reference frame. If you have one box of gas A and an identical box of gas B moving at high speed relative to A, and you send light through both boxes, observers at rest relative to each box of gas will get the same answer v1 when they measure the speed of light through their own box, and they will also both get the same answer v2 when they measure the speed of light through the other box.
 
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koorosh.shahd said:
The intention here is to discuss paradoxes in Special relativity in mainstream physics, any idea?

Looks like you are trying to promote your paper. From the abstract:

Eventually it is shown that observation by none-inertial frame is Galilean transformation
rather than Lorentz transformation. Conclusion: The outcome of physical experiments observed by inertial and none-inertial observers are completely different as they observe i.e., a fast-moving inertial frame which potentially contradicts Lorentz symmetry.

The above is known to be incorrect. I thought this forum was closed to promoting and debating fringe theories, correct?
 
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I don't call it promoting a paper, in fact that we are discussing a paradox like any other paradoxes, please explain why incorrect?
 
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As starthaus explained, discussion of non-mainstream personal theories is not permitted. Please refer to the Physics Forums Global Guidelines, which are linked at the top of every page under “Rules”, for a full explanation of our rules; note especially the section on "Overly Speculative Posts".
 

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