What Are the Matrix Forms of the Six Generators of Group SO(4)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the six generators of the group SO(4), including their matrix forms and properties. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical representations, and implications in physics, particularly in relation to symmetries and invariances in quantum mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the six generators as consisting of three rotations (La) and three boosts (Ka), which generate the SO(3) subgroup of SO(3,1).
  • Others introduce the concept of complexifying the algebra to SO(4,C) and defining new linear combinations of the generators, L±a = La ± iKa, which lead to two mutually commuting SU(2,C) algebras.
  • One participant mentions the invariance of the Hamiltonian of the Coulomb problem under SO(4), linking the generators to the Runge Lenz vectors and their role in describing the orientation of elliptical orbits.
  • Matrix forms of the generators are provided, with specific examples given for L_{12} and a general form for L_{ij} where i
  • There is a discussion about the choice of basis for the generators, with some participants noting that independent linear combinations can be used.
  • One participant emphasizes that the generators must be anti-symmetric, which is a characteristic feature of the SO(n) groups.
  • A later reply clarifies the notation used for the indices in the generators, highlighting a difference in representation between spacetime indices and other indices.
  • Another participant provides a general representation of the generators in an orthonormal basis, suggesting a method to determine the non-zero matrix elements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the anti-symmetric nature of the generators and the total count of six generators. However, there are differing views on the notation and representation of the indices, as well as the specific forms of the generators and their combinations.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the dependence on specific definitions of the indices used in the generators and the potential for different bases leading to varied representations. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these choices on the overall understanding of the generators.

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Recently,I have read a article which referred "the six generators of group SO(4)".And who can tell me what are these generators and what are their matrix forms?
 
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There a three rotations La (generating the SO(3) subgroup of SO(3,1) and three boosts Ka.

In addition one can complexify the algebra to SO(4,C) and define the new linear combinations

L±a = La ± iKa.

These new sets of generators define two mutually commuting SU(2,C) algebras.

The matrix form can e.g. be found in "Jackson: Electrodynamics".
 
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The Hamiltonian of the Coulomb problem is invariant under SO(4) and is discussed e.g. in Landau Lifshetz, Quantum Mechanics. In that case the six generators are the three generators of rotations and the three so called Runge Lenz vectors which describe the orientation of the big axis of the ellipses of the particles.
 
They are:
L_{12}=\begin{pmatrix}0&1&0&0\\-1&0&0&0\\0&0&0&0\\0&0&0&0\end{pmatrix}

and five similar L_{ij},\quad i<j
 
arkajad said:
They are:
L_{12}=\begin{pmatrix}0&1&0&0\\-1&0&0&0\\0&0&0&0\\0&0&0&0\end{pmatrix}

and five similar L_{ij},\quad i<j

Did you mean that for each Lij(i<j),there are only two non-zero elements:lij=1 and lji=-1?
 
YOBDC said:
Did you mean that for each Lij(i<j),there are only two non-zero elements:lij=1 and lji=-1?

Yes. But, of course, one can always choose a different basis of generators by taking independent linear combinations of the above ones,
 
arkajad said:
Yes. But, of course, one can always choose a different basis of generators by taking independent linear combinations of the above ones,

Oh, I see. These generators must be anti-symmetric. Thank you very much!
 
Note that the counting is different; arkajad uses ij with i<j (ij being spacetime indices) whereas I am using a=1..3 (NOT being spacetime indices; suppressed). Of course in both cases you have six generators in total and of course they are one-to-one.
 
YOBDC said:
These generators must be anti-symmetric.

You can represent the n(n-1)/2 generators of any SO(n) in some orthonormal base, by the operator

L_{nm} = |n\rangle \langle m| \ - |m \rangle \langle n|

where n,m = 1, 2, ...,n and;

\langle n|m\rangle = \delta_{nm}

From that you can find the location of the non-zero matrix elements by calculating the martix element;

\langle r|L_{nm}|s \rangle
 
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