What are the mechanics of finding delta in a limit problem?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the mechanics of finding delta in the context of limit problems in calculus. The original poster presents a specific function and limit scenario, seeking clarity on how to determine the value of delta that satisfies the conditions of the limit definition.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between epsilon and delta, discussing how to derive delta from the inequalities established in the limit definition. Questions arise about the steps taken to find delta and how it relates to the open interval identified in part (a).

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Some participants have offered insights into the definition of delta and its significance in ensuring the limit condition is met. There is an ongoing exploration of how to combine the inequalities derived from the problem to arrive at a meaningful value for delta. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty, with participants actively seeking clarification.

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Participants note the importance of correctly manipulating inequalities and the potential for confusion when combining different pieces of information. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the wording of their question, indicating a need for further clarification on the mechanics of the limit definition.

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Okay Then! :smile: I am going to start with a simple problem here:

Given some function, a limit L, an xo, and some [itex]\epsilon[/itex]:

a) Find an open interval on which the inequality [itex]|f(x)-L|<\epsilon[/itex] holds. Then b) give a value for [itex]\delta>0[/itex] such that
for all x satisfying 0 < |x - x0| < [itex]\delta\Rightarrow |f(x)-L|<\epsilon[/itex].

f(x)=x+1
L = 5
xo=4
[itex]\epsilon[/itex]=0.01

a) To find an interval on which [itex]|f(x)-L|<\epsilon[/itex] holds, I simply solve the inequality:

[tex]|f(x)-L|<\epsilon[/tex]

[tex]-\epsilon<f(x)-L<\epsilon[/tex]

[tex]-\epsilon<x+1-5<\epsilon[/tex]

[tex]-\epsilon<x-4<\epsilon[/tex]

[tex]4-\epsilon<x<4+\epsilon[/tex]

[tex]3.99<x<4.01[/tex]

So there is my open interval, (3.99, 4.01), on which [itex]|f(x)-L|<\epsilon[/itex] holds.

Now I know that for part (b), delta must be 0.01.

But what how do we actually find [itex]\delta[/itex]? What are the mechanics of finding it.

For part (a) I solved an inequality; what did I do for part (b) to find delta?

Sorry if this is a little vague, I am not sure exactly how to word my question.
 
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A better question to ask is what is delta? Delta is how sufficiently close x must be to x_0 to guarantee that |f(x) -L| < epsilon will be satisfied. Thus, we want [itex]|x-x_0| < \delta[/itex] or [itex]x_0 - \delta < x < x_0 + \delta.[/itex] In this case, [itex]x_0 = 4[/itex] so we want a delta such that [itex]4 -\delta < x < 4 + \delta[/itex].

Now compare this last set of inequalities to what you concluded in part a). How do we choose delta to ensure that |f(x) - L| is indeed less than epsilon?
 
snipez90 said:
A better question to ask is what is delta? Delta is how sufficiently close x must be to x_0 to guarantee that |f(x) -L| < epsilon will be satisfied. Thus, we want [itex]|x-x_0| < \delta[/itex] or [itex]x_0 - \delta < x < x_0 + \delta.[/itex] In this case, [itex]x_0 = 4[/itex] so we want a delta such that [itex]4 -\delta < x < 4 + \delta[/itex].

Now compare this last set of inequalities to what you concluded in part a). How do we choose delta to ensure that |f(x) - L| is indeed less than epsilon?

So since we know that we need [itex]|x-x_0| < \delta[/itex] (1), we also know xo=4 (2), and we have an inequality that says 3.99 < x < 4.01 (3), we can simply 'combine' (1), (2), and (3) to yield ...err something. I need a moment to think about it. But, I think I see it now.
 
I am still a little lost here :redface: sorry. What is the next step?

I know that 3.99<x<4.01. I also know that |x-xo|<[itex]\delta[/itex]. And xo=4.

How do I combine the 3 into something meaningful to find [itex]\delta[/itex] ?

Thanks
 
Nevermind. I was forgetting to subtract 4 from ALL sides of the inequality.

Using the above we have:

3.99-4 < x-4 < 4.01-4

-0.01<x-4< 0.01
or
|x-4|<0.01 = delta
 

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