What are the most critical parameters in high-speed machines: stress or strain?

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The discussion centers on the critical parameters in high-speed machines, specifically whether stress or strain is more significant. Participants explore various factors that may influence performance, including inertial forces, natural frequency, and deformation characteristics.

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  • Some participants suggest that the most critical parameters can vary based on the specific situation, including inertial forces, natural frequency, stress, strain, friction heating, aerodynamic forces, deflection, and flame speed.
  • One participant emphasizes that for high-speed machines, deformations may generally be a more serious issue than stresses, citing a specific example involving a hinged-hinged square linkage.
  • Another participant notes that deformation might be irrelevant for the machine's function or could even be a desired feature.
  • It is mentioned that strength and yield behavior are typically quantified in terms of principal stresses.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of stress versus strain, indicating that there is no consensus on which parameter is more critical in high-speed machines. Multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that various parameters may be important depending on the specific application and context of the high-speed machine, but do not resolve which are definitively critical.

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consider an high speed machine
the inertial forces exceed the static ones
of course duttile materials
generally speaking which ones are the most critical parameters ?
stresses (von Mises etc) or strains ?
 
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It is situation specific. The most critical parameter(s) could be one or more of:

Inertial forces (machines with reciprocating parts)
Natural frequency / critical speed (high speed shafts)
Stress
Strain
Friction heating (Ask me about the time we put 8 ball bearings in a volume the size of a basketball that generated 2 kW of heat)
Aerodynamic forces (Napkin folders at 12,000 napkins per minute)
Deflection (Can be too large at low strain)
Flame speed (Internal combustion engine)

And more, but that's the first ones off the top of my head. And all of the above are based on my personal experience with high speed machines.
 
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jrmichler said:
Friction heating (Ask me about the time we put 8 ball bearings in a volume the size of a basketball that generated 2 kW of heat)
:oops:
 
I suppose that for high speed machines deformations are , generally speaking, a more serious issue than stresses
just to make it simple, take an hinged-hinged square linkage subjected to an inertial transversal load concentrated in the center of mass
max deflection is proportional to length^3 while max stress to length
of course other parametrs might be even more important, it is so obvious that IMHO there was no need to mention them
 
zoltrix said:
I suppose that for high speed machines deformations are , generally speaking, a more serious issue than stresses
This is assuming the position is important. It may be totally irrelevant for the machine to do its job properly. Deformation might even be a desired feature.
 
Usually, strength and yield behavior is quantified in terms of the principal stresses.
 

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