What are the partial limits of cos(pi*n/3)?

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The discussion revolves around finding the partial limits of the sequences defined by cos(pi*n/3) and n*cos(pi*n/4). Participants explore the behavior of these sequences under various modular conditions and question the nature of their limits.

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  • The original poster attempts to identify partial limits by separating cases based on modular arithmetic. Other participants suggest considering additional cases and question the completeness of the identified limits.
  • Participants discuss the implications of boundedness in relation to the limits of n*cos(pi*n/4) and whether infinity can be considered a limit.
  • There is a focus on the values that cos(n*pi/4) can take and how they interact with the sequence's behavior as n approaches infinity.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of sequences and limits, with some expressing uncertainty about the definitions and implications of limits involving infinity. There is also mention of textbook formulations that may influence the interpretation of the problem.

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Hi,
Trying to find all partial limits of cos(pi*n/3), I separated it into:
a_3k -> -1
a_6k -> 1

Is this a valid approach? Are there any other partial limits?
 
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Essentially you are looking at n= 3 (mod 6) and n= 0 (mod 6), which is a very good idea, but those two are not the only possibilities. Suppose n is equal 1 (mod 6). That is, n= 1+ 6k. In that case, [itex]\pi n/3= \pi/3+ 2\pi k[/itex]. Now, [itex]cos(A+ B)= cos(A)cos(B)- sin(A)sin(B)[/itex] so [itex]cos(\pi/3+ 2\pi k)= cos(\pi/3)cos(2\pi k)+ sun(\pi/3)sin(2\pi k)= cos(\pi/3)[/itex] for all k.

Similarly, look at n= 2+ 6k, n= 4+ 6k, and n= 5+ 6k.
 
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Thanks! Hence this sequence has only four partial limits. Is that correct?
 
And what about the sequence ncos(pi*n/4). I believe it has only two partial limits, converging to +-infinity. Is that true?
 
In all sequences cos(n*pi/m), constant integer m, each value that the sequence can take occurs infinitely often. So every value is the limit of a subsequence. So, yes, for m=3 there are 4 values.
For n*cos(n*pi/4), what are the possible values in the sequence?
 
Would it be incorrect to say that n*cos(n*pi/4) has merely two partial limits (+-infinity) as cos(n*pi/4) is bounded whereas n isn't?
 
peripatein said:
Would it be incorrect to say that n*cos(n*pi/4) has merely two partial limits (+-infinity)
I could be wrong, but I wouldn't have thought infinity qualified as the limit of a sequence. It isn't a number, so you can't converge to it.
OTOH, there is one finite limit for this sequence. What are all the possible values of cos(n*pi/4) ?
 
Infinity, plus and minus, could well serve as PL's in this case, as thus the question is formulated in the textbook. In any case, the possible values are +-1/sqrt(2), 0 and 1. But that multiplied by infinity would either be infinity or, in the case of 0, undetermined, would it not?
 
peripatein said:
Infinity, plus and minus, could well serve as PL's in this case, as thus the question is formulated in the textbook. In any case, the possible values are +-1/sqrt(2), 0 and 1. But that multiplied by infinity would either be infinity or, in the case of 0, undetermined, would it not?
No, you're not multiplying cos(n*pi/4) by infinity, you're taking a limit. In particular, what is the limit of n*cos(n*pi/4) for the subsequence n = 4k+2?
 
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I still don't see why it wouldn't be infinity. Could you help me see it?
 
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peripatein said:
I still don't see why it wouldn't be infinity. Could you help me see it?
(4k+2)cos((4k+2)pi/4) = (4k+2)cos(pi*k+pi/2) = 0 for all k. Therefore the sequence converges to 0.
 
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Thank you. Are there are any other partial limits?
 
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You tell us.
 

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