What are the possible lengths of organ pipes based on beat frequency?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the lengths of two organ pipes based on their beat frequencies. One pipe is open at both ends, while the other is closed at one end, with the closed pipe measuring 1.10 m. The relationship between their frequencies is established through the equation 2f_open = 9f_open - 8.5f_closed, leading to two possible lengths for the open pipe. The calculated lengths are approximately 0.73 m and 1.46 m, derived from the fundamental frequency equations for both types of pipes.

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A friend in another city tells you that she has a pair of organ pipes, one open at both ends, the other open at one end only. In addition, she has determined that the beat frequency caused by the second-lowest frequency of each pipe is equal to the beat frequency caused by the ninth-lowest frequency of each pipe. Her challenge to you is to calculate the length of the organ pipe that is open at both ends, given that the length of the other pipe is 1.10 m. Note that there are two possible answers to this question. List them both, in the order indicated below.

so in other words fbeat = f1 - f2 where... fbeat 2= fbeat 9... where 2f1 - 2f2 = 9f1 - 9f2 ... and i know the length of the closed end pipe which is 1.10 how am i suppose to consider even solving this or where I can get the frequency of a closed end pipe at n=2...
 
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Draw the wavelengths that resonate in the two types of pipes ...
the calculate the frequencies that these resonances have.

One will be the odd numbers times the fundamental, the other will be the integers times the fundamental (all the even quarter-waves "fit")

So the second-lowest frequencies are 2*f_open and 3*f_closed .
These beat the same as 9*f_open and 17*f_closed .
Re-write this to get f_closed in terms of f_open ,
which you can compute since v = 340 m/s = lambda * f .
 
ok well I am looking at this problem and i see confused... and I am trying to work it out myself... so what you are saying is that... 2f_open and 1.5f_open beat the same as 9f_open and 8.5f_open?
 

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