Resonant Lengths in open air column question

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The discussion revolves around an organ pipe that is 1.2m long and open at both ends, focusing on the fundamental frequency produced by the pipe. Participants are examining the relationship between the length of the pipe, the wavelength, and the speed of sound in air.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the concept of fundamental frequency and its relation to wavelength in an open pipe. There is a discussion about whether the fundamental frequency corresponds to half a wavelength or the full wavelength, leading to questions about the implications of the pipe being open at both ends versus closed at one end.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the relationship between the pipe length and the wavelength, noting that the fundamental frequency corresponds to half a wavelength for an open pipe. Others are questioning how the situation would change if the pipe were closed at one end, indicating a productive exploration of different scenarios.

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There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and assumptions related to fundamental frequency and wavelength, particularly in the context of different types of pipe configurations. Participants are also considering how these concepts apply to the problem at hand.

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Homework Statement


An organ pipe 1.2m long and open at both ends produces a note with the fundamental frequency. If the speed of sound in air is 345 m/s, what is the fundamental frequency?

Homework Equations


Wave equation (f = v/lambda)

The Attempt at a Solution


My textbook solves the problem like so:
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My question is: why do they use the full wavelength here? As I understand it, the fundamental frequency is only half a wavelength. This would be more like the second resonant length, which was not what the question asks.
 

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BadDriver said:
the fundamental frequency is only half a wavelength
First, a frequency is not a length.
Fundamental frequency means the lowest note the pipe can produce. Being open at both ends, the pipe will only contain half a wavelength. Thus, as you imply, the fundamental frequency here corresponds to a half wavelength. Hence the λ=2L.
But to find the frequency that you hear you must divide the speed of sound by the full wavelength.
 
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haruspex said:
First, a frequency is not a length.
Fundamental frequency means the lowest note the pipe can produce. Being open at both ends, the pipe will only contain half a wavelength. Thus, as you imply, the fundamental frequency here corresponds to a half wavelength. Hence the λ=2L.
But to find the frequency that you hear you must divide the speed of sound by the full wavelength.
Thanks for your reply.

So the wavelength has to be twice the length of the pipe because the pipe is open on both sides? So the fundamental frequency corresponds to the actual length of the pipe?

How would this be solved if the pipe were closed on one end?
 
BadDriver said:
How would this be solved if the pipe were closed on one end?
In that case, how much of a wavelength (at fundamental frequency) would fit in the pipe?
 
haruspex said:
In that case, how much of a wavelength (at fundamental frequency) would fit in the pipe?

1/4 wavelength?

Also, was the rest of the conclusion earlier correct?
 
BadDriver said:
1/4 wavelength?
Yes.
 
BadDriver said:
the fundamental frequency corresponds to the actual length of the pipe?
It might be clearer to think in terms of the "fundamental wavelength", i.e. the longest wavelength which can be produced. That is related, on the one hand, to the pipe length and its number of closed ends, and on the other to the fundamental frequency by the speed of sound in air.
 

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