What Are the Real-World Applications of Even Primes and Their Variations?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the real-world applications of even primes and their variations, including concepts such as palindromic primes, emirps, Mersenne primes, and twin primes. Participants explore both theoretical and practical implications of prime numbers, particularly in fields like cryptography and error correction.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express curiosity about the applications of prime numbers, questioning whether their study is primarily due to their complexity or if they have real-world relevance.
  • One participant notes that prime numbers are utilized in cryptography, suggesting a practical application for their generation.
  • Another participant highlights the historical interest in prime numbers, mentioning mathematicians like Fermat and Ramanujan as significant figures in the field.
  • A participant elaborates on the use of prime numbers in error correction, specifically referencing the use of the prime number 929 in creating finite fields for barcodes and discussing the mathematical intricacies involved in AES encryption.
  • There is a humorous remark about the potential for a book on prime numbers, specifically mentioning "The Even Primes" with a playful description of its content.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that prime numbers have applications in cryptography and error correction, but there is no consensus on the extent or nature of these applications. The discussion remains open-ended with various viewpoints presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific mathematical concepts and applications, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities or assumptions underlying these applications.

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Just want to know if there are applications in the derivation of prime numbers. My instructor and the textbook that we are using seems to be obsessed with it, there is at least one problem about deriving prime numbers in each chapter. And also different versions like palindromic prime, emirp, mersenne prime, twin primes etc. I am starting to be fascinated myself.

Is it just because solving primes(and variations of it) can be tough or is there a real world application?
 
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Prime numbers are used in cryptography so I suppose there is a practical application there for their generation
 
Thanks for the info, at least now I know why they're so interesting
 
Prime numbers have been interesting to mathematicians long before cryptography. Important names are Fermat and Ramanujan.
 
In addition to encryption, prime numbers are also used for error correction, such as 929 which is used to create a finite field (numbers modulo 929) used for the error correction on PDF417 bar codes. However, most error correction schemes use finite fields based on "prime" polynomials that use 1 bit coefficients (so add and subtract effectively become xor). AES encryption uses Rijndael S-box on 8 bit bytes, finding the multiplicative inverse of that byte modulo x^8 + x^4 + x^3 + x + 1 (hex 11B) (division by a 9 bit polynomial produces an 8 bit remainder). For a software implementation, typically a 256 byte lookup table is used. However in hardware, which may include 10 or more S-box'es in parallel, there's been a lot of effort made to reduce the gate count well below the hardware equivalent of a lookup table, using some interesting properties of fields based on 1 bit coefficients, in this case being able to map an 8 bit field into two 4 bit fields and then into four 2 bit fields. There are a lot (but not anastronomically large number) of possible mappings, and a brute force approach to simply try them all and select the one that needs the fewest number of gates has been done.

The point here is that prime numbers and finite field math at one time were just exercises in higher level mathematics, but once there was a commercial application for this stuff, a lot more people and more effort became involved, and the was significant advancement in the commercial aspect for this branch of mathematics.
 
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Wow it seems that people can actually write a book about prime numbers
 
preceptor1919 said:
Wow it seems that people can actually write a book about prime numbers

Well, there IS a book called "The Even Primes". All the pages are blank except somewhere around the middle, one page has a big "2" on it.
 

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