What Are the Solutions of ODEs When k < 1/4?

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The discussion revolves around the solutions of the ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by \(\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}+\frac{k}{x^{2}}y = 0\). Participants are examining the conditions under which the number of positive zeroes of nontrivial solutions varies based on the value of \(k\), specifically focusing on the case when \(k < 1/4\).

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  • Participants discuss the general form of the solution \(y = A \sin(\sqrt{k} \ln(x)) + B \cos(\sqrt{k} \ln(x))\) and question the assumptions made regarding \(k\). There is an exploration of why the equation holds for only a finite number of \(n\) when \(k \leq 1/4\), with suggestions to investigate the implications of the discriminant in the context of the ODE.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the validity of the proposed solution and exploring the implications of different values of \(k\). Some guidance has been offered regarding the substitution used to transform the equation, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of the results or the proof of the finite number of zeroes.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the parameter \(k\) and its impact on the solutions. There is mention of a discriminant related to the transformed equation, indicating that the nature of the solutions may depend on the value of \(k\) and the conditions under which the ODE is analyzed.

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Consider [itex]\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}+\frac{k}{x^{2}}y = 0[/itex]. Show that every nontrivial solution has an infinite number of positive zeroes if k > 1/4 and a finite number if k ≤ 1/4.

Solving gives:
[itex]y = Asin(\sqrt{k}ln(x)) + Bcos(\sqrt{k}ln(x))[/itex]​

And setting y = 0 gives:
[itex]tan(\sqrt{k}ln(x)) = -\frac{A}{B} = c[/itex]
[itex]ln(x) = \frac{2n+1}{\sqrt{k}}arctan(c)[/itex]​

So I've mainly just rearranged everything a few times. When k ≤ 1/4, the last equation should hold for only a finite number of ns. Why, though? How would one go about proving this? The main thing I would think to look for would be a square root turning negative, but that doesn't seem to happen anywhere. Any ideas?
 
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djh101 said:
Consider [itex]\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}+\frac{k}{x^{2}}y = 0[/itex]. Show that every nontrivial solution has an infinite number of positive zeroes if k > 1/4 and a finite number if k ≤ 1/4.

Solving gives:
[itex]y = Asin(\sqrt{k}ln(x)) + Bcos(\sqrt{k}ln(x))[/itex]​
Show what you did to get this. I believe you might be tacitly making assumptions about k to get to this point.
djh101 said:
And setting y = 0 gives:
[itex]tan(\sqrt{k}ln(x)) = -\frac{A}{B} = c[/itex]
[itex]ln(x) = \frac{2n+1}{\sqrt{k}}arctan(c)[/itex]​

So I've mainly just rearranged everything a few times. When k ≤ 1/4, the last equation should hold for only a finite number of ns. Why, though? How would one go about proving this? The main thing I would think to look for would be a square root turning negative, but that doesn't seem to happen anywhere. Any ideas?
 
Your y(x) doesn't satisfy the differential equation.
 
Sorry, I did a sloppy substitution. x = e^z gives y'' - y' + ky = 0, which has the needed 1 - 4k discriminate. Problem solved. Thanks.
 

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