What Are the Spectator Ions in This Chemical Reaction?

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The discussion revolves around identifying spectator ions in a given chemical reaction involving potassium permanganate, iron(II) sulfate, and sulfuric acid. Participants explore the concept of spectator ions, their role in chemical reactions, and the specific ions present in the provided reaction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the spectator ions in the reaction are K+ and SO4, questioning the difference between these ions and others present.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of writing everything in dissociated form to clarify the net ionic equation.
  • A participant lists the ions before and after the reaction, noting that K+ and SO4 remain unchanged, while questioning the status of MnO4 and the charge differences between ions.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the original equation's validity and acknowledges that only K+ and SO4 are unchanged after the reaction.
  • Another participant mentions the origin of the equation from an old exam and appreciates the discussion, indicating that the question was unusual.
  • A later reply expresses frustration with questions based on nonexisting chemistry, suggesting they create confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that K+ and SO4 are spectator ions in the reaction, but there is some disagreement and confusion regarding the interpretation of other ions and the validity of the original equation.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the classification of certain ions, such as MnO4, and the implications of charge differences between ions. The discussion also reflects a broader concern about the clarity and relevance of the original chemical equation.

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Homework Statement



2KMnO4 (aq) + 10FeSO4 + 8H2SO4 -->

K2SO4 (aq) + 2MnO4 (aq) + 5Fe2SO4 (aq) + 8H2O (aq)

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Spectator ions don't participate in the reaction.


The Attempt at a Solution



What gives? Is my professor bent on making our lives miserable? The answer for the above is: the spectator ions are K+ and SO4.

I understand spectator ions don't participate in the reaction... but what's so divinely different between K+ and SO4 that isn't happening in the other ions? There are two Sulfate ions in the productsby the way which adds to my confusion...
 
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First of all - write everything in dissociated form. It is not called "net ionic" for fun :wink:

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Here are the spectator ions:

2K+ + 2MnO4- + 10 Fe2+ + 10SO42-

yields:

2K+ + SO42- + 2MnO4 + 10Fe1+ + 5SO42- + 8H2O

Hmm. Interesting that I found the net ionic equation. The only ions I see that are the same are the K+ and SO42- ions. The manganate ion, 2MnO4- doesn't count because the product MnO4 is not an ion correct?

And same for the ion right? It's not a spectator ion because one is of +2 charge and the other of +1 charge?
 
Where did you get the original equation from? I must admit I have not taken a closer look before, now that I did rest of the hair on my head rasied up.

But your analysis seems to be OK, only K+ and SO42- remain unchanged after the reaction.

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The original equation was pulled from an old exam of my undergrad chemistry professor. It was a little weird, so it was worth discussing.

Thank you for your analysis and general helpfulness Borek. This question was a bit weird!
 
carlodelmundo said:
It was a little weird, so it was worth discussing.

To be honest I hate questions that are based on nonexisting chemistry, they only create confusion.

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Spectator ions, in the context of chemistry and chemical reactions, are ions that do not participate in the chemical reaction. Instead, they remain in solution as either reactants or products, depending on whether they were part of the initial reactants or formed as products during the reaction. Spectator ions are not involved in the actual chemical transformation and do not change their chemical form. Their primary role is to maintain charge neutrality in the solution.

Here's an example to illustrate spectator ions:

Suppose you have a reaction between aqueous solutions of silver nitrate (AgNO3) and sodium chloride (NaCl) to form silver chloride (AgCl) as a precipitate:

Ag⁺(aq) + NO₃⁻(aq) + Na⁺(aq) + Cl⁻(aq) → AgCl(s) + Na⁺(aq) + NO₃⁻(aq)

In this reaction:

  • Ag⁺ and NO₃⁻ ions from silver nitrate (AgNO3) are involved in forming AgCl, so they are not spectator ions.
  • Na⁺ and Cl⁻ ions from sodium chloride (NaCl) don't change their chemical form during the reaction. They are just "spectators" in the sense that they are present but don't participate in the formation of the AgCl precipitate.
Spectator ions are important to consider in ionic reactions because they help ensure that the overall charge remains balanced in the reaction mixture. While spectator ions don't directly impact the reaction's outcome, they are crucial for maintaining charge neutrality and the ionic balance of the solution.
 
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