Enthelpy of reaction calculation?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the enthalpy (ΔH) and internal energy (ΔE) for the reaction involving the formation of calcium carbonate (CaCO3) from calcium ions (Ca2+) and bicarbonate ions (HCO3-). Participants explore the implications of heat exchange, work done by the system, and the use of standard enthalpies of formation in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the reaction absorbs 38.95 kJ of heat and performs 2.48 kJ of P-V work, questioning how to calculate ΔH and ΔE given the lack of standard enthalpies of formation for certain reactants.
  • Another participant suggests that ΔE and ΔH represent energy exchanged with the surroundings under different conditions, implying a conservation of energy perspective.
  • A participant emphasizes that the heat of the reaction is already provided, suggesting that there is no need to consider standard enthalpies of formation for this calculation.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definition of ΔH as the enthalpy of products minus the enthalpy of reactants, specifically in the context of the reaction occurring at constant temperature and pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of standard enthalpies of formation for this calculation. While some argue that the provided heat value suffices for determining ΔH, others question the completeness of the information regarding enthalpies of formation for the ions involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the enthalpies of formation for ions and the implications of using them in calculations. The discussion also highlights the specific conditions under which the reaction occurs, which may affect the interpretation of ΔH and ΔE.

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Limestone stalactites and stalagmites are formed in caves by the following reaction:
Ca2+(aq) + 2HCO3-(aq) --> CaCO3(s) + CO2(g) + H2O(l) . If one mol of CaCO3 forms at 298 K under 1 atm pressure, the reaction performs 2.48 kJ of P - V work, pushing back the atmosphere as the gaseous CO2 forms. At the same time, 38.95 kJ of heat is absorbed from the environment.
A.) What is the value of ΔH for this reaction?
B.) What is the value of ΔE for this reaction?

So I thought that I had to add together the standard enthalpies of formation for each of the products and subtract the standard enthalpies of formation for the reactants. However, I did not see any ΔHf for Ca2+ or HCO3-. Secondly , when I looked at the answers, it said that the answer was ΔH=38.95, ΔE=36.47.

I guess I don't understand when we should use the standard enthalpies of formation. Also, do ions made up of a single element have enthalpies of formation? And if I did have all the necessary enthalpies of formation, would my answer for ΔH also be 38.95?

Thanks!
 
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You can think about ΔE and ΔH as if they were amounts of energy exchanged with the surroundings (just in different conditions). As the energy is conserved whatever is lost/gained by the reagents must be gained/lost by the world around.
 
Centralscience said:
Limestone stalactites and stalagmites are formed in caves by the following reaction:
Ca2+(aq) + 2HCO3-(aq) --> CaCO3(s) + CO2(g) + H2O(l) . If one mol of CaCO3 forms at 298 K under 1 atm pressure, the reaction performs 2.48 kJ of P - V work, pushing back the atmosphere as the gaseous CO2 forms. At the same time, 38.95 kJ of heat is absorbed from the environment.
A.) What is the value of ΔH for this reaction?
B.) What is the value of ΔE for this reaction?

So I thought that I had to add together the standard enthalpies of formation for each of the products and subtract the standard enthalpies of formation for the reactants. However, I did not see any ΔHf for Ca2+ or HCO3-. Secondly , when I looked at the answers, it said that the answer was ΔH=38.95, ΔE=36.47.

I guess I don't understand when we should use the standard enthalpies of formation. Also, do ions made up of a single element have enthalpies of formation? And if I did have all the necessary enthalpies of formation, would my answer for ΔH also be 38.95?

Thanks!
The implication of this problem statement is that exactly the right amount of heat is added so that the temperature (298) doesn't change. In this case, the reaction is carried out at a constant pressure of 1 atm and a constant temperature of 298 K. Therefore, from the definition of the heat of reaction, what is the ΔH for this reaction? You also know that Δ(PV) = 2.48 kJ. From the equation, ΔH = ΔE +Δ(PV), what is ΔE?

There is no need to consider heats of formation, because the heat of the reaction is already given.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
, because the heat of the reaction is already given.
38.95 kJ of heat?
 
gracy said:
38.95 kJ of heat?
Sure.

Chet
 
enthalpy of the reaction is denoted by ΔH ,right?
 
In the present context, ΔH is defined as the enthalpy of the products minus the enthalpy of the reactants, starting out with molar stoichiometric quantities of reactants. It is equal to the amount of heat Q that has to be added to the system so that the final temperature of the products is equal to the temperature of the reactants.

Chet
 

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