What are the sub sequances here

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In summary, the conversation discusses the sequence 1/2, 1/3, 2/3, 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 1/5, 2/5, 3/5, 4/5 and how it contains infinite subsequences. The conversation also mentions finding the limits of these subsequences and how they may be endless in number or equal to the limit of the original sequence if it converges.
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1/2 , 1/3 , 2/3 , 1/4 , 2/4 , 3/4 , 1/5 ,2/5 ,3/5 ,4/5 ...

i can't see the patterns here?
 
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There are infinitely many subsequences of any sequence: just delete some elements.

For the pattern, first look at the denominators only, and then look at how the numerators change for each denominator.
 
  • #3
ok i see numbers
1/2 2/3 3/4
a1 a3 a6
but they don't have constant gap between then

so i can't do a formula for that
 
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  • #4
I see two things going on here... the denominator increases, and with each new denominator d a sum of 1/d to (d-1)/d fractions. If you are familiar with programming this sequence would easily be described with a nested loop.

That should get you started ;)
 
  • #5
i see that too but i need to break into sUb sequences

what you say doesn't help me with that
 
  • #6
As previously stated there are infinite subsequences in this sequence... is the original question more specific?
 
  • #7
ok i need at least two
and their location n(k) formula
 
  • #8
transgalactic said:
ok i see numbers
1/2 2/3 3/4
a1 a3 a6
but they don't have constant gap between then

so i can't do a formula for that

To describe the sequence 1, 3, 6, 10, 15, ...,

n(1) = 1
n(2) = n(1) + 2
n(3) = n(2) + 3
...
n(k) = ?

If you are familiar with Pascal's triangle, you can get a "nicer" expression from it.
 
  • #9
this is a recursion
i need linear n(k) formula
 
  • #10
edit:

Take the numbers with numerator 1. They clearly form the sub-sequence 1/(k+1) k=1...∞

Now, these occur at:
1/2 -> position 1
1/3 -> position 2
1/4 -> position 4
1/5 -> position 7
1/6 -> position 11
1/n -> position ??

Hint: the distance between positions increases by one every time
Double hint: ½n² + ½n + 1
 
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transgalactic said:
1/2 , 1/3 , 2/3 , 1/4 , 2/4 , 3/4 , 1/5 ,2/5 ,3/5 ,4/5 ...

i can't see the patterns here?
One thing I see is 1/2, 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, ... which clearly converges
Another is 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, ... which also converges.

As has been pointed out there are an infinite number of subsequences in any sequence. Perhaps a better question would be, "What are the subsequential limits?"
 
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i need to find the sub sequences in order to find their limits
so there may be endless number of limits

unless this series converges
in which case all of the sub sequences limits equal
the limit of the sequence

what to do in this case:
1/2 , 1/3 , 2/3 , 1/4 , 2/4 , 3/4 , 1/5 ,2/5 ,3/5 ,4/5 ...

??
 

What are the sub sequences here?

The sub sequences here refer to smaller, sequential parts of a larger sequence or pattern. These sub sequences can be identified and studied to better understand the overall sequence or pattern.

How do you identify sub sequences?

Sub sequences can be identified by looking for patterns or repeating elements within a larger sequence. These patterns may be numerical, alphabetical, or based on other characteristics.

What is the importance of studying sub sequences?

Studying sub sequences can provide valuable insights into the larger sequence or pattern. It can reveal underlying patterns, help predict future elements, and aid in understanding the overall structure and function of the sequence.

Can sub sequences change over time?

Yes, sub sequences can change over time as the larger sequence or pattern evolves. This can be due to external factors or internal mechanisms within the sequence.

How can sub sequences be applied in real-world scenarios?

Sub sequences have various applications in different fields, such as genetics, linguistics, and computer programming. They can be used to analyze and understand complex systems, make predictions, and develop algorithms and models.

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