What are the tensions and movements in this force and motion problem?

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The problem involves three masses connected by cords over a pulley, with specific weights given for each mass. The original poster seeks to determine the tension in the cord between two of the masses and the distance one mass moves after a set time when released from rest.

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  • Participants discuss the uniformity of tension in the cords and question initial assumptions about the system's behavior. There is an exploration of Newton's second law as it applies to each mass, with attempts to set up equations based on forces acting on the masses.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions, and attempting to derive equations for the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of Newton's second law, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the signs in equations and the treatment of tension as vectors. Participants are encouraged to keep calculations symbolic until a clearer understanding is reached.

  • #61
Kinta said:
Looks good to me. Now you can get the desired tension for part (a) and the displacement of block A for part (b) relatively easily.
realatively meaning easy for you.
 
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  • #62
J-dizzal said:
realatively meaning easy for you.
I mean, relative to the rest of the problem, getting the two desired quantities requires less work. :)
 
  • #63
Kinta said:
I mean, relative to the rest of the problem, getting the two desired quantities requires less work. :)
T from B to C = (14kg)(-6.285 m/s/s)=87.99N why is this wrong?
 
  • #64
J-dizzal said:
T from B to C = (14kg)(-6.285 m/s/s)=87.99N why is this wrong?
Because this statement directly contradicts one of your previous, correct equations regarding the net force on block C:
J-dizzal said:
mCa=TC to B+mCg
 
  • #65
Kinta said:
Because this statement directly contradicts one of your previous, correct equations regarding the net force on block C:
im getting -861.025 for tension between B and C
 
  • #66
TB to A + TC to B - TB to C - MBg - MCg = 861.025
i know this is wrong but don't see why
 
  • #67
J-dizzal said:
TB to A + TC to B - TB to C - MBg - MCg = 861.025
You're making it too complicated and, in doing so, missing something. Try just using the equation you got when you applied Newton's 2nd Law to block C. Now that you have a, you should only have one unknown (and a particularly desirable one at that) in that equation.
 
  • #68
ok i see, -49.21 but my sign is wrong. i used 14(-(-6.3))-137.2=-49.21, but evidently it should be positive.
 
  • #69
J-dizzal said:
ok i see, -49.21 but my sign is wrong. i used 14(-(-6.3))-137.2=-49.21, but evidently it should be positive.
TC to B= ma= mC(-a)
 
  • #70
J-dizzal said:
TC to B= ma= mC(-a)
i must be wrong to call a negative for that equation prematurely
 
  • #71
J-dizzal said:
i must be wrong to call a negative for that equation prematurely
so only by inspection of the direction of your tension would you know the sign of the tension force?
 
  • #72
r(t) = r0+v0+(1/2)at2
this is the only equation i get for the motion equations for the exam. I am trying to derive an equation for distance box B moves in the time 0.3s
 
  • #73
J-dizzal said:
r(t) = r0+v0+(1/2)at2
this is the only equation i get for the motion equations for the exam. I am trying to derive an equation for distance box B moves in the time 0.3s
ok r0 and v0 cancel. plug in the rest. thanks for help Kinta!
 
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  • #74
J-dizzal said:
ok i see, -49.21 but my sign is wrong. i used 14(-(-6.3))-137.2=-49.21, but evidently it should be positive.
J-dizzal said:
so only by inspection of the direction of your tension would you know the sign of the tension force?
I think the sign of the tension force that you obtain for the cord between two blocks will depend on which equation you use to solve for it. Regardless, the tension everywhere in the cord between two blocks is equal in magnitude (meaning disregarding the sign).
J-dizzal said:
TC to B= ma= mC(-a)
This is incorrect. In writing ##T_{CtoB} = m_Ca##, you're saying that tension is the only force acting on block C. The acceleration a is the net acceleration of each of the blocks, period. It is the result of ALL forces involved ,not just the tension and not just gravity, all of them.
 
  • #75
J-dizzal said:
ok r0 and v0 cancel. plug in the rest. thanks for help Kinta!
My pleasure! :)
 
  • #76
Kinta said:
I think the sign of the tension force that you obtain for the cord between two blocks will depend on which equation you use to solve for it. Regardless, the tension everywhere in the cord between two blocks is equal in magnitude (meaning disregarding the sign).

This is incorrect. In writing ##T_{CtoB} = m_Ca##, you're saying that tension is the only force acting on block C. The acceleration a is the net acceleration of each of the blocks, period. It is the result of ALL forces involved ,not just the tension and not just gravity, all of them.
ok i get it.
 
  • #77
J-dizzal said:
ok i get it.
ok next homework problem, coming soon...hehe
 

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