How Does Tension Vary in a Multi-Block Pulley System?

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The problem involves a multi-block pulley system with three masses connected by cords, where participants are exploring the tension in the cords and the motion of the blocks. The specific question focuses on the tension between blocks B and C, as well as the distance block A moves in a given time frame.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the tension in the cords and the weights of the blocks, questioning why the weight of blocks B and C does not directly influence the tension in the string connecting A and B. They explore the forces acting on each block and the implications of those forces on the tension calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions made regarding tension and the forces at play. Some guidance has been offered regarding the direction of forces and the role of acceleration in determining tension, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations or the value of T1.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the influence of the weights of the hanging blocks on the tension in the strings, and participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of the system's dynamics without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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The problem is:
In the figure here three ballot boxes are connected by cords, one of which wraps over a pulley having negligible friction on its axle and negligible mass. The masses are mA = 31 kg, mB = 40 kg, and mC = 13 kg. When the assembly is released from rest, (a) what is the tension in the cord connecting B and C, and (b) how far does A move in the first 0.250 s (assuming it does not reach the pulley)?

Where block A is sitting on a table connected to a string that goes to a pulley at the end of the table where bock B and C are hanging.I've read this question all over the internet and cannot interpret the results, I see what's being done, but I don't understand.

For the string between A and B, the tension is said to be mA*a, but why is there no influence from block B on the tension of the first string? shouldn't the tension be (mB+mC)*g since there would be no tension if the two blocks are pulling it down?

For block B, the net Force Fb=mB*a so 40a = Fb, and since the tension on the string between A and B is pulling it up and the tension on the string between B and C is pulling it down, 40a=40g-T1+T2.

For block C Fc=13a=13g+T2
so T2=13a-13g
and T2=40a-40g+T1

And that is where I am stuck, I do not know how to get T1
 
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wcase said:
For the string between A and B, the tension is said to be mA*a, but why is there no influence from block B on the tension of the first string?
Why do you think there's no influence from block B?
shouldn't the tension be (mB+mC)*g since there would be no tension if the two blocks are pulling it down?
If the tension equaled that, then the blocks would be in equilibrium.

For block B, the net Force Fb=mB*a so 40a = Fb, and since the tension on the string between A and B is pulling it up and the tension on the string between B and C is pulling it down, 40a=40g-T1+T2.
Good.

For block C Fc=13a=13g+T2
Careful with signs. On C, the string tension acts up (opposite to gravity).

And that is where I am stuck, I do not know how to get T1
Write a force equation for block A.
 
With block A, the force from the string is pulling it, and the force is coming directly from the weight of block B and C, so I still don't understand why the weight pulling on the string has no effect on the tension of the string.
 
wcase said:
With block A, the force from the string is pulling it, and the force is coming directly from the weight of block B and C, so I still don't understand why the weight pulling on the string has no effect on the tension of the string.
What pulls block A is the tension in the string. The weight of block B and C pulls on B and C, not on A directly. Of course the weight of the hanging blocks affects the tension in the string, but it doesn't equal that tension.
 
Adding to what Doc Al said, the weight of blocks B and C is what drives the system to accelerate - when you write T1 = mA*a, for instance, the influence of blocks B and C is embedded in the value of the acceleration (different blocks B and C would result in a different acceleration).
 

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