What are the Units for V in Electric Potential and Volts?

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The discussion revolves around the symbol "V" in the context of electric potential and its relationship to electric potential energy. Participants explore the units associated with these concepts, particularly volts, and the potential confusion arising from the dual use of "V" for both the physical quantity and its unit.

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  • Some participants question the use of "V" as both a symbol for electric potential and the unit of volts, drawing analogies to other units. Others discuss the relationship between electric potential and potential energy, noting the differences in units and symbols.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering insights into the definitions and uses of "V." There is recognition of the potential for confusion due to the overlapping meanings of the symbol and its unit, and some participants have provided clarifications regarding the notation used in textbooks and handwritten contexts.

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Participants note the variability in the use of "V" across different contexts, including quantum mechanics, where "V" may also denote potential energy. There is mention of the challenges posed by font differences in printed materials and handwriting, which can complicate understanding.

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Sometimes I see V representing Electric Potential. Is this the same as electric potential energy? What are the units for V? Sometimes I see V represent volts. But this just seems weird. V is a unit of V? As an analogy, we use kg is a unit of m (mass). We never use m as a unit for m.
 
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V is sometimes the symbol for electric potential, which is just electric potential energy per unit charge:

[tex][\textrm{potential}] = \frac{[\textrm{energy}]}{[\textrm{charge}]}[/tex]

The unit for potential, is of, course, the joule per coulomb, also known as a volt (whose symbol is also V).

[tex]1 \ \textrm{V} = 1 \ \frac{\textrm{J}}{\textrm{C}}[/tex]

So, the symbol V is being used both for the physical quantity known as potential, AND for the units in which it is measured. Note, however, that symbols for physical quantities and mathematical variables are typically italicized when typeset properly, whereas unit symbols are not, so that we might have something like:

[tex]V = 5 \ \textrm{V}[/tex]

It's obvious why the UNIT symbol is a V (the unit is volt, after all, named after Volta). It's less obvious why the symbol for potential is a V. It could be because a difference in electric potential (or potential difference for short) is often referred to as a voltage. Calling voltage V is intuitive. Then again, the symbol for a physical quantity doesn't have to make intuitive sense. Why is p momentum?. Heck, sometimes we use greek letters.
 
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Just to confuse the matter, V is sometimes NOT used as a symbol for electric potential. Instead, it is used to denote potential energy, in which case it has units of joules (J). Although U is more commonly used to denote potential energy, I have definitely seen V used, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics. Even more confusingly, this V is referred to as a "potential" function, when a "potential energy" function is what is actually meant.
 
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tony873004 said:
Sometimes I see V representing Electric Potential. Is this the same as electric potential energy? What are the units for V? Sometimes I see V represent volts. But this just seems weird. V is a unit of V? As an analogy, we use kg is a unit of m (mass). We never use m as a unit for m.

Questions answered in order: Yes, Volts, Yes.

Alternatively, one volt is one kilogram·meter2/ampere/second3.

Add to your list the term "voltage". That would be like using "kilogramage" to mean mass expressed in kilograms. We do, however, use "tonnage" to mean mass in tons.
 
Now that you mention it, I do notice italicized vs. regular in the book. Unfortunately, the book uses a font where italicized V and regular V are almost identical. And handwritten on the blackboard... forget it!

Thanks for the replies, cepheid and DH.
 

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