What are the uses and limitations of transmission lines?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the uses and limitations of transmission lines, focusing on their role in carrying alternating current and electromagnetic waves, particularly at high frequencies. Participants explore theoretical aspects, practical applications, and the implications of frequency on transmission line behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about "other media" used in transmission lines, suggesting optical fibers as an example for carrying light.
  • There is a question regarding how transmission lines can carry electromagnetic waves and the necessity for high frequency, with some suggesting that the wave nature leads to phenomena like reflection that are not considered in basic circuit analysis.
  • One participant mentions that electromagnetic waves can be transmitted through waveguides and not just cables, highlighting that RF waves can be emitted through air and guided by various elements.
  • Frequency is noted to be significant due to the intrinsic impedance of transmission lines and the nature of the connected load, which can affect the relationship between current and voltage as well as electric and magnetic fields.
  • Skin conduction is introduced as a factor, indicating that at higher frequencies, current tends to flow on the outer layer of conductors, suggesting the potential for hollow wires to reduce weight and material usage, though this presents practical challenges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the implications of frequency and the nature of transmission lines, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on certain aspects.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of transmission lines and the conditions under which they operate are not fully explored, particularly regarding the effects of frequency and the nature of loads connected to the lines.

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"Transmission lines are specialized cables and other media designed to carry alternating current and electromagnetic waves of high frequency (radio frequency or higher), high enough that its wave nature must be taken into account. Transmission lines are used for purposes such as connecting radio transmitters and receivers with their antennas, distributing cable television signals, and computer network connections." Quoted from Wikipedia

1. "other media" - such as?

2. "alternating current and electromagnetic waves of high frequency" - I understand that a transmission line will carry an alternating current due to a voltage across the line. But how can such a line carry em waves, and why do the current and wave have to be of high frequency?

3. "high enough that its wave nature must be taken into account" - why is the wave nature a dominant influence on the analysis of the passage of current/wave if its frequency is high?

Thanks in advance for any help!
 
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hi hasan_researc! :smile:
hasan_researc said:
1. "other media" - such as?

2. "alternating current and electromagnetic waves of high frequency" - I understand that a transmission line will carry an alternating current due to a voltage across the line. But how can such a line carry em waves, and why do the current and wave have to be of high frequency?

3. "high enough that its wave nature must be taken into account" - why is the wave nature a dominant influence on the analysis of the passage of current/wave if its frequency is high?

such as optical fibres, carrying light

i think the wave nature is referring to things like reflection, which we ignore in ordinary Kirchhoff-type circuit analysis

(not sure about the high frequency :redface:)
 
Electromagnetic waves can also be transmitted using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide_(electromagnetism)" , for example. They are not strictly propagated through cables: the RF waves are emitted through the air and can be reflexed and guided with many other elements.

The frequency is important because transmission lines generally have an intrinsec impedance, and also the connected load can be purely resistive or have an inductive/capacitive component. So, frequency is important because it will modify the angle between current/voltage or magnetic/electric field.
 
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jjmontero9 said:
Electromagnetic waves can also be transmitted using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide_(electromagnetism)" , for example. They are not strictly propagated through cables: the RF waves are emitted through the air and can be reflexed and guided with many other elements.

The frequency is important because transmission lines generally have an intrinsec impedance, and also the connected load can be purely resistive or have an inductive/capacitive component. So, frequency is important because it will modify the angle between current/voltage or magnetic/electric field.

Plus one more effect: Skin conduction. The higher the frequency, the more the conduction is on the outer layer of conductors.
 
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The skin conduction also implies that the wires be hollow since current would flow only near the surface of the conductors. A nice idea, would save significant weight and material but is difficult to do effectively.
 

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