What Are the Values of r and s in the Polynomial q(z) with Given Roots?

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The discussion focuses on determining the values of r and s in the polynomial q(z) = z^3 − z^2 + rz + s, given the roots 1 + i and i. Participants analyze the polynomial's structure, noting that the third root must be -2i to ensure the sum of the roots is real. There is debate over the correct sign for the third root, with emphasis on the importance of correctly factoring the polynomial. The conversation highlights the relationship between the roots and coefficients, suggesting that similar problems can provide insights. Ultimately, the solution hinges on verifying the correct formulation of the polynomial based on its roots.
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Homework Statement


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Suppose q(z) = z^3 − z^2 + rz + s, is a complex polynomial with 1 + i and i as zeros. Find r and s and the third complex zero.

The Attempt at a Solution


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(z-(1+i)(z-i) = Z^2-z-1-2iz+i

(Z^2-z-1-2iz+i)(z+d) = Z^3+z^2(d-1-zi)-z(d+1+2di-i)-d(1-i)

Z^2 term

Z^2(d-1-zi)=-z^2
d-1-2i=-1
d=2i

z term

-z(d+1+2di-i)=rz
-d-1-2di+i=r
2i-1-4i^2+i=r
-i+3=r

constant term

-d(1-i)=s
-2i+2i^2=s
-2i-2=s

This is what I have done but I am when I expand the complex zeros I do not get anything close to q(z)
 
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For start I believe you do something wrong with the factor ##(z+d)## in line 2 of your post, shouldn't that be ##(z-d)##?
 
Delta² said:
For start I believe you do something wrong with the factor ##(z+d)## in line 2 of your post, shouldn't that be ##(z-d)##?
Why would it matter if it is positive or negative?
 
It matters on the sign d will have. I believe the 3rd root of your polynomial is not 2i but -2i.

if you write a polynomial as ##p(z)=(z+d)q(z)## then one of the roots of ##p(z)## is not d but -d as you can easily verify.
 
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Delta² said:
It matters on the sign d will have. I believe the 3rd root of your polynomial is not 2i but -2i.

if you write a polynomial as ##p(z)=(z+d)q(z)## then one of the roots of ##p(z)## is not d but -d as you can easily verify.
Thanks that works :)
 
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Homework Statement


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Suppose q(z) = z^3 − z^2 + rz + s, is a complex polynomial with 1 + i and i as zeros. Find r and s and the third complex zero.

I think you can achieve some shortcuts here. Equation is of exactly the same form as one for a problem you have just solved (or claimed to :oldwink: ). Help with finding Zeros of a polynomial with 1+i as a zero

In the previous equation you were given two roots and found the third, or somebody did.

Here you are given two roots which are the same as two of the roots of the previous problem multiplied by -i if I am not mistaken.

If all roots of a polynomial are multiplied by the same factor, what happens to the coefficients?

Edit: however that does not seem to work in the way I guessed. :redface:

The sum of roots must be real, so the third root must contain -2i.

The problem can be done in the same way as before.

There ought to be some greater analogy with the previous problem, which at the moment I cannot see.

 
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Since ##px^9+q## is the factor, then ##x^9=\frac{-q}{p}## will be one of the roots. Let ##f(x)=27x^{18}+bx^9+70##, then: $$27\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)^2+b\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)+70=0$$ $$b=27 \frac{q}{p}+70 \frac{p}{q}$$ $$b=\frac{27q^2+70p^2}{pq}$$ From this expression, it looks like there is no greatest value of ##b## because increasing the value of ##p## and ##q## will also increase the value of ##b##. How to find the greatest value of ##b##? Thanks
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