What Are the Values of r and s in the Polynomial q(z) with Given Roots?

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The discussion revolves around finding the values of r and s in the polynomial q(z) = z^3 − z^2 + rz + s, given that it has complex roots 1 + i and i. Participants are exploring the implications of these roots on the polynomial's coefficients and the nature of the third root.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining the polynomial's structure and the relationships between its roots and coefficients. There are attempts to factor the polynomial and questions about the signs of terms involved in the factorization. Some participants also suggest reconsidering the nature of the third root based on the properties of polynomial roots.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the factorization and the implications of the roots. There is a recognition of potential shortcuts based on previous problems, though some participants express uncertainty about how these apply in this case.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the sum of the roots must be real, which influences the identification of the third root. There is also mention of previous problems that may provide analogies, though the connections are not fully established.

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Homework Statement


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Suppose q(z) = z^3 − z^2 + rz + s, is a complex polynomial with 1 + i and i as zeros. Find r and s and the third complex zero.

The Attempt at a Solution


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(z-(1+i)(z-i) = Z^2-z-1-2iz+i

(Z^2-z-1-2iz+i)(z+d) = Z^3+z^2(d-1-zi)-z(d+1+2di-i)-d(1-i)

Z^2 term

Z^2(d-1-zi)=-z^2
d-1-2i=-1
d=2i

z term

-z(d+1+2di-i)=rz
-d-1-2di+i=r
2i-1-4i^2+i=r
-i+3=r

constant term

-d(1-i)=s
-2i+2i^2=s
-2i-2=s

This is what I have done but I am when I expand the complex zeros I do not get anything close to q(z)
 
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For start I believe you do something wrong with the factor ##(z+d)## in line 2 of your post, shouldn't that be ##(z-d)##?
 
Delta² said:
For start I believe you do something wrong with the factor ##(z+d)## in line 2 of your post, shouldn't that be ##(z-d)##?
Why would it matter if it is positive or negative?
 
It matters on the sign d will have. I believe the 3rd root of your polynomial is not 2i but -2i.

if you write a polynomial as ##p(z)=(z+d)q(z)## then one of the roots of ##p(z)## is not d but -d as you can easily verify.
 
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Delta² said:
It matters on the sign d will have. I believe the 3rd root of your polynomial is not 2i but -2i.

if you write a polynomial as ##p(z)=(z+d)q(z)## then one of the roots of ##p(z)## is not d but -d as you can easily verify.
Thanks that works :)
 
53Mark53 said:

Homework Statement


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Suppose q(z) = z^3 − z^2 + rz + s, is a complex polynomial with 1 + i and i as zeros. Find r and s and the third complex zero.

I think you can achieve some shortcuts here. Equation is of exactly the same form as one for a problem you have just solved (or claimed to :oldwink: ). Help with finding Zeros of a polynomial with 1+i as a zero

In the previous equation you were given two roots and found the third, or somebody did.

Here you are given two roots which are the same as two of the roots of the previous problem multiplied by -i if I am not mistaken.

If all roots of a polynomial are multiplied by the same factor, what happens to the coefficients?

Edit: however that does not seem to work in the way I guessed. :redface:

The sum of roots must be real, so the third root must contain -2i.

The problem can be done in the same way as before.

There ought to be some greater analogy with the previous problem, which at the moment I cannot see.

 
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