What catalysts, besides platinum, can be used for catalytic combustion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying alternative catalysts to platinum for catalytic combustion of gaseous hydrocarbons, specifically methane and propane, at atmospheric pressure and temperatures not exceeding 200 F. The scope includes practical applications and considerations in catalyst selection.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need for affordable catalysts for a micro combustor project, specifically for gaseous hydrocarbons.
  • Another participant argues that the question is too vague, noting that temperature, surface area, intrinsic reactivity, and equipment design all affect the catalyst's turnover rate.
  • A suggestion is made to research hopcalite as a potential starting point, though its effectiveness is not guaranteed.
  • Some participants propose that metals from the platinum group, such as palladium and ruthenium, may work as catalysts, but acknowledge their high costs.
  • A participant humorously comments on the confusion between ruthenium and rubidium, indicating a mix-up in terminology related to the periodic table.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on specific alternative catalysts, and multiple competing views regarding the effectiveness and cost of potential catalysts remain. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the best options available.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific conditions under which the catalysts would be effective and the dependence on various factors such as equipment design and flow rates, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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I'm trying to build a micro combuster, but i can't afford platinum. Anybody know of a catalyst that can allow for the combustion of gaseous hydrocarbons(methane, propane, etc.), in air, at atmospheric pressure, and at no more than 200 F?
 
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Impossible to answer the way you have asked the question. Temperature is related to the turnover rate of the catalyst under a given set of conditions. Surface area, intrinsic reactivity, fuel and air flow, equipment design all influence that rate of reaction.
 
Google hopcalite. Not that it is the answer to your problem, but perhaps it can give you some starting point.
 
I think just about any of the metals from the platinum group will work, i.e. palladium, rubidium, etc. Of course they are all very expensive as well.
 
thanks borek. sorry if the question is a bit off, i don't really know much about catalysis. the microcombuster is just a subsystem of a bigger project I'm working on.
 
Topher925 said:
metals from the platinum group will work, i.e. palladium, rubidium, etc. Of course they are all very expensive as well.

Sounds like a completely new periodic table :-p
 
Borek said:
Sounds like a completely new periodic table :-p

This made me laugh out loud.

But he is right in that the platinum group (although not of a particular number of electrons in a sub shell as the typical vertical groups are defined) is referred to as the platinum group because of their low activities and ability to act as catalysts for oxidation reactions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_group

...But I think you already know this. And I am just stating the obvious. :blushing:
 
Whoops. Yeah, that should be ruthenium, not rubidium. I get those two mixed up a lot. :confused:
 

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