What Caused the Recent Bombings in London?

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The discussion revolves around the recent bombings in London, exploring the identity of the attackers, potential motives, and comparisons to other terrorist incidents. Participants express various viewpoints regarding the implications of the attacks and the nature of terrorism, with references to related events in India and historical attacks.

Discussion Character

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest the bombings may have been carried out by suicide bombers, while others question this and propose the possibility of planted explosives.
  • There are claims that a terror group linked to Al-Qaeda has taken responsibility for the attacks, with reports of casualties and injuries.
  • Participants discuss the potential motivations behind the attacks, with some asserting that the aim is to instill terror and cause death, while others argue that such actions are counterproductive to achieving political goals.
  • There is mention of a connection to a recent terrorist attack in India, raising questions about the broader context of terrorism.
  • Some express empathy for the victims and critique the senselessness of sectarian violence, emphasizing the need for rational analysis in understanding the motivations of terrorists.
  • Participants reflect on the implications of the attacks for public perception of Islamic fundamentalism and the potential for increased security measures in response.
  • One participant notes that the attackers claimed their actions were a warning related to troop presence in Iraq, suggesting a political motive behind the violence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the identity of the attackers or the effectiveness of their actions. Multiple competing views on the motivations and implications of the bombings remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the attacks, the identity of the perpetrators, and the motivations behind their actions. The discussion reflects a range of emotional responses and analytical perspectives without definitive conclusions.

  • #241
Anttech said:
Anyway I always think of Johansbergh as the "Murder capital of the world"

And I know there are nice places and bad places in America...

I've heard of Johannesburg as a murderous place, but personally, I've always thought of Medulla and Bogota when I hear the term "murder capital." It seems like people just walk the streets with uzis and M-16s strapped to their backs. Both cities may as well be owned by drug lords.
 
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  • #242
Spin_Network said:
Latest thoughts are that the 'Train-Terrorists', were murdered by the 'Bus-Bomber'. The Bus-Bomber came from the north of England, and was actually reported missing on the morning of the bombings, it is now pretty evident that this man(bus-bomber) set the mobile phone alarms, as a detonating factor.

All four terrorists were in one location in order for the devises to be primed, thus there was one person responcible for setting the activation devise(mobile phone alarm), this is why the 'first three' bombs detonated within a few seconds of each other, one man setting mobile alarms accumilates a 'Time-Lapse' of a few seconds, each alarm needs individual attention.

Thus departing from a single location, the Bus-Bomber MAY have told the individual bombers that their bombs were set, with respect to them being able to leave the location in sufficient time, to escape the blasts.

Having caught the No-30 Bus, he was actually in the process of setting the alarm on the Bomb/s he was preparing, when an 'incoming-call' (maybe from a distant relative worried about his wherabouts (first bombs were by now on TV?) ..actually either panicked him, or actually detonated the devises.

Quite Ironic don't you think!

Evidence of Murder?..Questions start to roll:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_obj...4762&headline=was-it-suicide---name_page.html

It is more than likely that the Bombers were duped, which leads to all manner of other questions which should be asked:

Why no shouts of "ALLAH AKHBAR"?

Why the vast amount of 'Identity Trail' bombers had upon their person (their job carrying out bombings is normally sufficient for entry into heaven , unless its in a future wherby I D cards are essentially the norm) ?

The meeting point, why did the FOUR BOMBERS all leave and meet at a specific location, high risk of capture?

There are more questions..but for now I leave it.

The Families of those murdered now, must include the Bombers families?
 
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  • #243
There sure is a lot of debate about people in this thread. What about the actual bombing?

Did you guys here that some company was running terrorism simulation drills in the London tube at the exact same time the bombings took place? Some guy said it was a 1 and 20 or so zeroes probability there could be a real bombing at the exact same time as a bombing terrorism drill.

I read a chilling scenario someone dreamed up. Some guys go to those 4 pakistani men and asks them if they want to make some money. They say sure. The men tell them "We are doing a terrorism exercise on the London tube. We want you to pretend to be terrorist. Here is your backpack. Here is your target. Go to the tube and be here at such and such a time. After the simulation, come back to the office and we will pay you off". The men think they are doing a patriotic, top secret job, and they are getting paid for it.

What was even more chilling was the descriptions being bandied about the bus bomber. He is described as "diving in his backpack and messing around". The guy who wrote the scenario above also included the idea "What if the man on the bus heard that the tube had been blown up? He was escaping the area. Then he thinks, what if the fake bomb in this backpack is a real bomb? He reaches in the backpack to fiddle with whatever is in there and then the bomb goes off.

I don't know how much connection to reality the story has. Sounded good though. I wonder if they were just innocent guys that got blown up? They are muslim and dead so they cannot say anything. The government can blame them for anything. Someone else made the humorous comment "you notice how terrorists seem to have indestructible ID cards?". They found Atta's ID at the WTC somehow and they found the ID's of these men who they are saying were suicide bombers.

If a bomb blows up an entire train, wouldn't it blow up the ID located in the man's pocket located at the absolute most, 2 feet away from the actual bomb? From the bomb in the back pack down to the wallet in the man's rear pocket might be 2 feet.
 
  • #244
Happeh said:
If a bomb blows up an entire train, wouldn't it blow up the ID located in the man's pocket located at the absolute most, 2 feet away from the actual bomb? From the bomb in the back pack down to the wallet in the man's rear pocket might be 2 feet.


Our Professor R.W. going to give give you nice lecture about kinetics and chemistry any time soon.
I think this whole thing stinks like hell of government involvement.
 
  • #245
*puts tin hat on*

time for the conspiracy theorists
 
  • #246
Spin_Network said:
Evidence of Murder?..Questions start to roll:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_obj...4762&headline=was-it-suicide---name_page.html

It is more than likely that the Bombers were duped, which leads to all manner of other questions which should be asked:

Why no shouts of "ALLAH AKHBAR"?

Why the vast amount of 'Identity Trail' bombers had upon their person (their job carrying out bombings is normally sufficient for entry into heaven , unless its in a future wherby I D cards are essentially the norm) ?

The meeting point, why did the FOUR BOMBERS all leave and meet at a specific location, high risk of capture?

There are more questions..but for now I leave it.

The Families of those murdered now, must include the Bombers families?

Following report on the recent bombings in London:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4705939.stm
 
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  • #247
Spin_Network said:
Following report on the recent bombings in London:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4705939.stm

It is being wildly speculated that the most recent bombings in London, are linked to the Egyptian Bombings. It is thought that there is 'intent' to deflect inquiries by the secret intelligence, into possible Egyptian Islamics having devised and co-ordinated the London Bombings 7/7, 21/7, with the Egyptian Bombings, 'hand-waving' to security to move away from Cairo?

It is believed that the group responsible for the London Bombings, intended to meet and liase in Cairo., having fled the UK before the Bombings. Instructions to ground sympythisers in London being instructed to cause 'smoke-screen' attacks, to draw UK intelligence 'away' from the "real-terrorists".

The amateurish effects of which, is not a single devise was detonated succesfully (assembly co-ordinators not in UK to oversee devise's), the recent London 'terrorists', are infact nothing more that 'dog-bodies', normally asscociated with ensuring food menu's, refreshments etc..etc..were stocked for visiting co-ordinators.

The UK group of followers have been left without any real direction, and after seeing their buddies murdered by the 'real-terrorists' in the 7/7 attack, they are in the process of rushing in, with only their own irrational thinks.
 
  • #248
Spin_Network
It is being wildly speculated that the most recent bombings in London, are linked to the Egyptian Bombings. It is thought that there is 'intent' to deflect inquiries by the secret intelligence, into possible Egyptian Islamics having devised and co-ordinated the London Bombings 7/7, 21/7, with the Egyptian Bombings, 'hand-waving' to security to move away from Cairo?

And why would Al-Qaeda claim they're responsible for the atrocities? I'm assuming the Egyptian Islamics are not part of Al-Qaeda.
 
  • #249
DM said:
Spin_Network


And why would Al-Qaeda claim they're responsible for the atrocities? I'm assuming the Egyptian Islamics are not part of Al-Qaeda.

Every terrorist needs a home? I should imagine that Bin Laden, is currently doing a photo-shoot, which will no doubt be aired on Al Jazzera soon. It is all about having 'safe' houses. You may not be aware that Al Queda have been known to recruit 'Egyptian' University Grads, they are given preferential treatment, and are held in high regard to global operations.
 
  • #250
Spin_Network
Every terrorist needs a home? I should imagine that Bin Laden, is currently doing a photo-shoot, which will no doubt be aired on Al Jazzera soon.

Yes, hilarious!

Spin_Network
It is all about having 'safe' houses. You may not be aware that Al Queda have been known to recruit 'Egyptian' University Grads, they are given preferential treatment, and are held in high regard to global operations.

That still doesn't answer my question. Why would Al-Qaeda claim responsibility for the atrocities when the Egyptian Islamics are part of another terrorist group? sounds implausible, doesn't make much sense. I state this assuming they do not belong to Al-Qaeda.
 

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