What causes Bragg planes in materials?

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The discussion centers on the physical understanding of Bragg planes in materials, particularly in the context of wave reflection and atomic structure. Participants explore the nature of Bragg planes, their relationship to atomic arrangements, and the implications for wave behavior in crystalline materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the physical nature of Bragg planes, questioning what the waves are reflecting off of and whether Bragg planes are merely accepted concepts without physical basis.
  • Another participant challenges the initial analogy of waves "bouncing off" by explaining that Bragg reflection involves groups of atoms responding to electromagnetic radiation, indicating that Bragg planes are real and consist of significant fractions of the crystal's atoms.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether waves reflect off the atoms in the plane and questions the assumption that atoms can be treated as forming a plane due to their spherical shape.
  • Another participant elaborates on the conditions for Bragg reflection, noting that it occurs when the wavelength of incident light is much larger than an atom, leading to a uniform electric field that polarizes atoms and results in constructive interference of reradiated wavelets along the Bragg plane.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of Bragg planes, with some agreeing on the physicality of the planes while others remain uncertain about the implications of atomic structure on wave reflection. The discussion reflects multiple competing views and remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the interaction between waves and atoms.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about atomic behavior and the simplifications involved in modeling wave interactions with atomic structures. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of these interactions or the implications of atomic shapes on reflection patterns.

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I am having trouble understanding what exactly Bragg planes are physically.
I understand how they behave, in that they act like mirrors and reflect matter waves, but what exactly is the wave bouncing off of?

for instance
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I can guarantee any physics textbook always has a picture like this, with the light bouncing off of what it seems to be nothing physical, not an atom, just the Bragg plane. I am really having trouble swallowing what exactly causes the Bragg plane. Or is it something that we just accept like electrons not emitting radiation in atoms even though they seem to be accelerating?
 
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ninevolt said:
I am having trouble understanding what exactly Bragg planes are physically.
I understand how they behave, in that they act like mirrors and reflect matter waves, but what exactly is the wave bouncing off of?

for instance
jen%201.png


I can guarantee any physics textbook always has a picture like this, with the light bouncing off of what it seems to be nothing physical, not an atom, just the Bragg plane. I am really having trouble swallowing what exactly causes the Bragg plane. Or is it something that we just accept like electrons not emitting radiation in atoms even though they seem to be accelerating?

Well, what do you think the little spots in the diagram are? Reflection, even normal reflection off a mirror, is a scattering problem arising from groups of atoms responding to incident EM radiation - so the "bouncing off" analogy is flawed. A Bragg reflection plane is a plane in a crystal containing some significant fraction of the atoms that make up the crystal, and generally there are many such planes in a crystal depending on the symmetry of the atoms - the diagram you posted shows several, there are many more including many that are tilted into and out of the plane of the diagram. There's nothing unphysical or imaginary about them.
 
So are you saying that in real life the wave will reflect off of the atoms in the plane? And that macroscopically the atoms are close enough together to constitute the Bragg plane?

If this is the case, I still do not understand why the waves bounce off of the atoms as if they are in a plane. Atoms are round, and to my knowledge we would get a different reflection pattern that that of a simple plane.
 
Bragg reflection happens when the wavelength of the incident light is much larger than an atom. For high frequencies the light will impact a single atom, but for lower frequencies it affects many neighboring atoms. What does an individual atom see? It sees a uniform, slowly varying E field. When exposed to a uniform E field, an atom will become polarized, i.e. acquire an electric dipole moment. As the E field slowly varies, the dipole moment slowly varies, reradiating the light in all directions. Along the direction of a Bragg plane, the reradiated wavelets are in sync with each other and add constructively.
 

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