What causes electric charges? Repulsion and attraction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of electric charges, their causes, and the phenomena of repulsion and attraction associated with them. Participants explore concepts related to electromagnetism, virtual photons, and the philosophical implications of understanding fundamental forces, while acknowledging the complexity of the topic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that electric charge is a fundamental aspect of nature that is often treated as a postulate in models, suggesting that deeper questions about its existence lead to more complex inquiries.
  • Another participant expresses curiosity about the connection between electric charges and virtual photons, indicating that electric charges create electric fields, which can be described at the quantum level using virtual photons.
  • There is acknowledgment that understanding these concepts may require a solid foundation in physics, with one participant suggesting that basic comprehension is possible with high-school level knowledge and effort.
  • Participants reflect on the philosophical nature of the questions posed, with one remarking that physicists are not necessarily closer to definitive answers than laypeople, but are better at explaining the mechanisms involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a shared understanding of the complexity of electric charges and the challenges in explaining their nature. However, there is no consensus on a definitive explanation or understanding of the underlying principles, indicating that multiple views and uncertainties remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of their current understanding and the dependence on foundational physics knowledge to grasp the complexities of electric charges and their interactions.

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Hi, I'm an undergraduate biologist student. I was studying chemical bond, but, while trying to understand it, I couldn't really get what causes the electric charges, what seems essential to me. So, someone can explains, in the simplest way as possible, what is electric charge? What causes it? Why there is repulsion and attraction? In my searches I found out something about virtual photons, hypercharge, weak isospin, vacuum, but I couldn't really follow what it meant because it was in a high technical language. Thank you in advance, and sorry if I'm not posting this question in the right place :)
 
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MoonCream said:
Hi, I'm an undergraduate biologist student. I was studying chemical bond, but, while trying to understand it, I couldn't really get what causes the electric charges, what seems essential to me. So, someone can explains, in the simplest way as possible, what is electric charge? What causes it? Why there is repulsion and attraction? In my searches I found out something about virtual photons, hypercharge, weak isospin, vacuum, but I couldn't really follow what it meant because it was in a high technical language. Thank you in advance, and sorry if I'm not posting this question in the right place :)

Well, a lot can be said about electric charge and electromagnetism in particle physics, but when it comes right down to it, there is really no answer that doesn't just shift the question of "why is nature this way?" to a more difficult technical place, and which is not really much more philosophically satisfying than your current question.

Electric charge just "is". It is one of the fundamental ingredients that we put into our models, as a postulate, and then explain the rest of the world using it (I lie a little bit but not very much). To go beyond this, we really have to start looking towards grand unified theories and string theory or something.

There is an interview Feynman once did with the BBC in which he tries to explain the difficulty with such questions, it is really quite wonderful, I highly recommend watching it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMFPe-DwULM

It is a deep rabbit-hole you are peering down, and physicists are not actually so much further down it than you might think. They are just much better at explaining 'how' all these things work. If you want to know more about 'how', we can certainly go there.
 
Thank you for the reply :smile: I never saw that particular Richard Feynman's video, and I really admire him, so, it was great seeing my question being discussed there.
Well, I understand what you said, I guess, and somehow I knew it was a trick question by the start. I still have curiosity about electric charges, electromagnetism, photons, light and all, of course, but I suppose it's too complex to go really deeper without having a good physics knowledge beforehand.
Anyway, if someone has any new information to share about the subject, it would be amazing :) I'll never have a full answer, naturally, it probably doesn't exist, but understanding a little more is always great. Like, what's the connection between virtual photons and electric charges? etc. ( maybe this question is kinda already wrong, I don't know, I just read it somewhere and may be confusing myself)
 
MoonCream said:
Thank you for the reply :smile: I never saw that particular Richard Feynman's video, and I really admire him, so, it was great seeing my question being discussed there.

No problem.

MoonCream said:
I still have curiosity about electric charges, electromagnetism, photons, light and all, of course, but I suppose it's too complex to go really deeper without having a good physics knowledge beforehand.

It depends what kind of detail you want to know things in. I think you can get the basic gist of it all with even a high-school level of physics knowledge, with a little work.

MoonCream said:
Like, what's the connection between virtual photons and electric charges

Well your electric charges create electric fields (and magnetic ones if they move), and the simple thing to say is that at the quantum level we can describe electromagnetic fields as being made of virtual photons. It is a little bit tricky because virtual photons mostly make sense at reasonably high energies and with very weak fields, and usual classical electric and magnetic fields are nothing of the sort, but the picture can still be somewhat helpful.
 

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