What causes the random decay of atoms in different interpretations?

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The discussion centers on the causes of random atomic decay as interpreted through various quantum mechanical frameworks, including standard quantum mechanics (QM), Bohmian quantum mechanics (dBB), and the many-worlds interpretation (MWI). Participants explore the implications of these interpretations on the determinism of decay events and the nature of time in relation to radioactive decay.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what specifically causes radioactive decay and seek deterministic explanations from interpretations like dBB and MWI.
  • One participant reformulates the question to focus on what determines the timing of an unstable atom's decay, noting that standard QM posits no determinism, while Bohmian QM should provide a deterministic answer.
  • It is suggested that the lack of a clear time operator in standard QM complicates the deterministic interpretation in Bohmian QM, which reflects the ambiguity present in standard QM.
  • A proposed approach treats time as an additional dimension alongside space, allowing for a new perspective on decay probabilities derived from first principles, while still aligning with standard QM predictions.
  • Another participant raises the issue of particle creation during decay and its compatibility with continuous particle trajectories in Bohmian mechanics, suggesting that particle creation may be an illusion caused by decoherence.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of time in quantum mechanics and its implications for decay events. There is no consensus on the deterministic nature of decay or the compatibility of particle creation with Bohmian mechanics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the unresolved nature of time as an operator in quantum mechanics and the implications this has for both standard and Bohmian interpretations. The exploration of particle creation and its relation to decoherence remains a complex topic with multiple perspectives.

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What causes the "random" decay of atoms in different interpretations?

I'd like proponents of each interpretation to explain what their interpretation says about this issue?
What happens/causes radio active decay?

I know that atleast dBB and MWI needs to have a deterministic answer to this, so what is it?
 
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Interesting question, but let me first slightly reformulate it into a more precise form:

What determines time at which an unstable atom will decay?

Standard QM says that nothing determines it, i.e. that only probability for a decay at given time is determined. By contrast, Bohmian QM should give a deterministic answer. But what that deterministic Bohmian answer is?

Admittedly, Bohmian QM cannot easily answer that question. But is it a problem of Bohmian QM? My answer is - no. More precisely, my claim is that it is not a problem of Bohmian QM per se, but actually a problem of standard QM that reflects in Bohmian QM as well.

Let me explain. In Bohmian QM there is a general theorem saying that Bohmian QM makes the same measurable statistical predictions as standard QM whenever the predictions of standard QM are unambiguous. Indeed, in standard QM, the probability distribution is unambiguous for any observable (such as position, momentum, energy, spin, etc.) given by an operator in the Hilbert space. But the problem is that time in QM is not an operator. Or at least, the time operator in QM is not unambiguously defined. The issue of time in QM is a controversial subject even within standard QM. There are several proposals for the solution of it, but none of them is a "standard" one.

So, without an unambiguous probabilistic description of decay time in standard QM, one shouldn't expect an unambiguous answer in Bohmian QM. Instead, it seems reasonable to choose one specific (even if not generally accepted) approach in standard QM and then explore the Bohmian variant of it as well. This is what I will do in the next post ...
 


... So let me briefly explain one approach (in both standard and Bohmian QM) that seems most promissing to me. An interested reader can find more details in
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0811.1905 [Int. J. Quantum Inf. 7 (2009) 595-602]
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1002.3226 [Int. J. Quantum Inf. 9 (2011) 367-377]

The essence of this approach is to treat time on an equal footing with space. Space is treated as in the standard approach, while time is treated just as one additional (fourth) dimension. This approach is relativistic in spirit, but a non-relativistic limit of it is also different from the usual treatment of time in QM. In fact, it can be thought of as a generalization of usual QM, in the sense that wave functions now live in an extended Hilbert space - a space of functions of both x and t.

With this approach, the usual rules of thumb on decay probabilities in standard QM now can be derived from first principles, just as for any other quantum observable. But how the Bohmian deterministic approach determines time at which the decay will happen? As usual in Bohmian QM, it all depends on the initial particle positions. However, now the "initial position" has a somewhat different meaning. While in the usual Bohmian QM the initial position is the set
x(t=0), y(t=0), z(t=0),
which clearly does not treat time on an equal footing with space, in the approach I am talking about the initial condition is the set
x(s=0), y(s=0), z(s=0), t(s=0)
where s is a relativistic-scalar parameter that parameterizes the trajectory. This parameter can be thought of as a generalized proper time. In this approach time t is also one of the hidden variables that may not be known in advance, which in essence is why the time of an event (such as a decay) looks random. As discussed in more detail in the papers above, the final statistical predictions coincide with those of standard QM.
 


In the two posts above, I was concentrated on the issue of TIME at which the decay happens. But there is also another use particularly relevant for Bohmian mechanics. If the decay involves a creation of NEW particles (e.g. photons), how can it be compatible with continuous particle trajectories in Bohmian mechanics?

Since a creation of particles is involved, it must be related to Bohmian interpretation of quantum field theory. Again, there are several different approaches, but according to my favored one
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/0904.2287 [Int. J. Mod. Phys. A25:1477-1505, 2010]
particle creation and destruction is only an illusion, created by decoherence caused by interaction with particle detectors.
 

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