What Causes Whirlpool Formation in Draining Water?

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The discussion centers on the formation of whirlpools in draining water, specifically in bathtubs, sinks, and toilets. Participants explore the factors influencing the direction of rotation and the underlying physical principles involved, including angular momentum and viscosity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the formation of a whirlpool depends on initial conditions of the water, such as the flow direction when the drain is opened, rather than larger atmospheric forces like the Coriolis Force.
  • Another participant recalls research indicating that the Coriolis Force does not influence the direction of rotation in draining water, asserting that it does not affect toilets.
  • Contrarily, a different participant acknowledges the common belief that the Coriolis Force affects water flow direction in different hemispheres but questions its validity, suggesting that it may be a misconception.
  • This participant introduces the concept of angular momentum, explaining that as water drains, conservation of angular momentum causes the speed of water to increase as it approaches the drain, leading to vortex formation.
  • Another participant builds on this by proposing that water viscosity contributes to a positive feedback mechanism, where faster-moving water transfers angular momentum to surrounding water, enhancing the overall rotation and leading to the formation of a vortex.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of the Coriolis Force, with some asserting it has no impact while others suggest it might influence flow direction. There is also a lack of consensus on the primary factors responsible for whirlpool formation, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions about the influence of initial conditions, angular momentum, and viscosity, but these assumptions remain unresolved and depend on specific definitions and conditions.

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Why does a whirlpool form in your bathtub, sink or toilet when the water is draining? And what factors are responsible for which way the whirlpool rotates?
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As far as I know, the whirlpool forming in the drain depends only on the initial conditions of the water in the tub, such as the direction it was flowing when the drain was opened, and maybe the type of hardware involved, etc. In other words, only on local small scale parameters, not on atmospheric forces like the Coriolis Force, etc.

I do remember a post on this forum somewhere where someone showed that research was done to show that the Coriolis Force had nothing to do with the direction of rotation for draining water. So, if you were wondering about this specifically, you can rest assured, that this doesn't affect your toilet!
 
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Indeed they say the Coriolis force is responsible for the flow of water in bathtubs, toilets, etc. I admit it would explain why they always flow in one direction in the northern hemisphere, but the opposite in the southern hemisphere; but then, I'm guessing that this too is a misconception, especially since the Coriolis force would make the water spin in the opposite direction than what happens in reality.

Angular momentum, however, does have a role to play. Every molecule of water in the bathtub has a certain "orbital" angular momentum about the drain. When you open it, conservation of angular momentum takes over. As each particle gets closer, its speed must increase to conserve angular momentum (since L = mvr). That's why the water speeds up closer to the drain. Eventually the surface of the water breaks, resulting in a vortex.

Well, I hope my rambling helps explain this!
 
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The explanation given by arunma is good, but is just the beginning. I think that there is a positive feedback due to water viscosity. As the water near the sink turns faster, it transfers some of its angular momentum to the neighbor outer water, which will turn faster than it would without the moment transfer. This cumulative process can be observed: at the beginning there is no much rotation. But rotation increases and ends forming a vortex.
 

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