What Classical Physics Problems Remain Unsolved in Modern Physics?

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The discussion revolves around identifying classical physics problems that remain unresolved in the context of modern physics. Participants explore the complexity of certain classical problems and the implications of modern computational methods on these issues.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that classical problems, such as those in fluid dynamics and climate modeling, remain challenging due to their complexity, particularly in phenomena like turbulence.
  • There is a viewpoint that while modern physics arose from the limitations of classical physics, unresolved classical problems may not yield "new" physics but rather require better computational methods and algorithms.
  • One participant questions whether old experiments have been revisited with modern techniques to uncover overlooked aspects, suggesting that this could lead to new insights.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the idea that no new physics could emerge from reexamining classical questions, indicating a belief in the potential for discovery through retrospective analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether classical problems can lead to new physics, with some asserting that they do not, while others believe there may still be discoveries to be made through revisiting these issues.

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Limitations include the complexity of classical problems and the dependence on computational advancements, which may not fully resolve the underlying issues. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the potential for new physics arising from classical problems.

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Readers interested in the intersection of classical and modern physics, computational methods in physics, and the historical context of scientific inquiry may find this discussion relevant.

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I like to see you gents post up some classical physics problems that have yet to be answered by modern physics?

Anyone?
 
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Depends on what you mean by "questions".
There are plenty of problems that only involve 19th century physics that we can't solve (or can only find approximate solutions to) because they are so complicated, e.g. fluid dynamics where the basic equations (Navier-Stokes)have been around for a very long time; but we still don't fully understand phenomenon like turbulence because even the fastest computers in the world can't handle turbulent phenomena (without approximations) around real aircraft (which is why we still use wind tunnels).
Climate modeling is another example, the approximations are quite good and using fast computers climatologists can make rather accurate predictions on a global scale; but local predictions are very,very hard.

Anyway, no one expects to find any "new" physics in these problems. finding more accurate solutions essentially boils down to using better and faster computers (and better numerical algorithms); occasionaly there are surprises but nothing that fundamentally challenges our understanding of the world. That said, chaotic phenomena are still very interesting and challenging.

Also, the reason why we have "modern physics" is because classical physics failed to answer some very fundamental questions. Hence, problems that are still around belong, almost by definition, to modern physics.
 
f95toli said:
Also, the reason why we have "modern physics" is because classical physics failed to answer some very fundamental questions. Hence, problems that are still around belong, almost by definition, to modern physics.

That is a very good way of describing it. I like that point of view. I'm not as sure as you are that there is no "new physics" to be found by repondering old questions, though. I think it an interesting idea that old experiments should be conducted in the same manner as they were, and from a retrospective point of view.

Does this actually happen? Have old experiments been tried in a modern light to see if some aspects, even small may been overlooked or were even undetectable at the time? Or have scientists taken for granted the old proofs of experiments and moved on to study only the new outcomes of observable effects, without ever looking back? It would be an easy thing to do, humans being human and all.
 

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