What Determines Conductivity Differences in Various Substances?

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The discussion revolves around the differences in conductivity among various substances, specifically comparing sucrose solutions, silver nitrate solutions, solid silver nitrate, solid sodium metal, and liquid forms of these substances. The scope includes theoretical understanding and practical implications related to conductivity in chemistry.

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  • Some participants suggest that the low conductivity of sucrose solution is due to its molecular nature and its solubility in water, while silver nitrate solution is ionic and has better conductivity.
  • It is proposed that solid silver nitrate does not conduct electricity because it is an ionic compound in solid form, whereas sodium metal conducts well due to its metallic properties.
  • There is a discussion about the conductivity of liquid (fused) silver nitrate being similar to its solution, while the conductivity of liquid sucrose is questioned, with participants noting that it remains molecular and does not conduct.
  • Some participants explain that the mobility of ions in solution contributes to conductivity, while others discuss the role of free electrons in metals enabling conductivity.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the cooling curves of pure solvents versus solutions, seeking clarification on the correct representation.
  • Another participant inquires about calculating the molality of a sulfuric acid solution, indicating uncertainty about the steps involved in the calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on all points discussed. While some participants agree on the general principles of conductivity related to ionic and molecular substances, there are varying levels of understanding and some unresolved questions regarding specific calculations and representations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and properties of the substances discussed, as well as the calculations involved in determining molality. There are also references to the complexity of cooling curves and the implications of supercooling in solutions.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying chemistry, particularly those interested in the properties of solutions, conductivity, and related calculations in their coursework.

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hey I am doing a chemistry assignment and i can't figure out how to do the following things

Account for the difference in the conductivity of

1.)sucrose solution and silver nitrate solution


2.) solid silver nitrate and solid sodium metal


3.) liquid (fused) sucrose and liquid(fused)silver nitrate

please help
 
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sorry i well do so
 
well for the first one i was thinking the difference would be because sucrose solution is molecular and insolube in water the conductivity is really low, and the conductivity of the silver nitrate in solution is very good because it is ionic and ionic bonded compounds generally have better conductivity? am i right? and if not what's wrong?
 
for the second one, the AgNO3 would not conduct because of an ionic compound in the solid state, and the sodium metal conducts well because if not all most mettcalic compound always conduct.
 
for the third one the ligquid solution of AgNO3 would be just as good as the solution of AgNO3 but i do not have ne ideas on the liquid silver nitrate
 
drowningfish134 said:
well for the first one i was thinking the difference would be because sucrose solution is molecular and insolube in water
Sucrose is soluble in water
the conductivity is really low, and the conductivity of the silver nitrate in solution is very good because it is ionic and ionic bonded compounds generally have better conductivity?
This is correct. Do you know why ionic solutions are more conductive?
 
drowningfish134 said:
for the second one, the AgNO3 would not conduct because of an ionic compound in the solid state, and the sodium metal conducts well because if not all most mettcalic compound always conduct.

Correct. Do you know which specific properties of metals enable them to be good conductors?
 
because the ions are free to move around in the water
 
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because in the a metal the electrons are not attcher to any particular cation and so there's a larger amount of mobile electrons?
 
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drowningfish134 said:
for the third one the ligquid solution of AgNO3 would be just as good as the solution of AgNO3 but i do not have ne ideas on the liquid silver nitrate

Read what you've put here again. I think the last bit should read but i do not have any ideas on the liquid sucrose.

You're right with the AgNO3; the fused ions move and therefore the liquid conducts. For the sucrose, what has changed? Is the liquid sucrose molecular or ionic?
 
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nothing has changed, its still molecular, so it still doesn't conduct
 
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drowningfish134 said:
because the ions are free to move around in the water
Well, the ions are free to move around in the solution.

drowningfish134 said:
because in the a metal the electrons are not attcher to any particular cation and so there's a larger amount of mobile electrons?

Correct. Metallic bonding is usually described as having a "sea of free electrons" enabling the metal to conduct.

drowningfish134 said:
nothing has changed, its still molecular, so it still doesn't conduct

Correct
 
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im sorry to keep asking questions but i am strugglin in this class...

i have to draw the cooling curves of both a pure solvent and solution.
which one is correctPS
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solution

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--or

PS
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and solution is the same but the flat line has a slight negative slope??
 
  • #15
that didnt work...is it this http://home.att.net/~v.d.singleton/genchem/curve.gif
which i think is right or is it go down than parabolas back up then flattens out at the freezin point
 
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drowningfish134 said:
that didnt work...is it this http://home.att.net/~v.d.singleton/genchem/curve.gif
which i think is right or is it go down than parabolas back up then flattens out at the freezin point

Strictly, as you say, a pure solution would undergo a stage of "supercooling" in which the temperature drops below the freezing point, and then parabolically increases back to the freezing point, and levels out.

Other than that, the graphs look fine.
 
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so is ut rge pciture on the website or the wordsi wrote
 
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You can add the parabolic part onto the graph on the website, so in answer to your question... both!

It really depends how advanced your class is, but since you mentioned the "supercooling" then you should draw it on.
 
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alright thanks a bunch!
 
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drowningfish134 said:
alright thanks a bunch!
You're very welcome!
 
  • #21
all right, I am glad i found someone can help me!

Concentrated sulfuric acid (18.4 molar) has a density of 11.84 g per ml
dilution with water to 5.20 molar, density of 1.38 g per ml
can be used as an a electroyte is lead batterys.

What is the molality of the 5.20 molar H2SO4 solution?

well I am not exactly sure where to start, but i know that i need to find moles of solute/kg of solvent. i think i should start with grams in one liter and use that to find the number of grams or moles of solution, but other than that i am pretty lost.

where am i wrong and what's next?
 
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It's a long time since I've studied any chemistry, and so I'm rather rusty on calculations. I think it's best if I leave this one for someone else to help you with!
 
  • #23
should i repost witha new topic name?
 
  • #24
Well, I guess you already have! Here's the link to the question, for anyone that's reading through this thread: Molarity
 

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