What Determines the Collision Speed of Two Unequal Mass Asteroids?

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The problem involves two spherical asteroids with different masses, released from rest at a specific distance apart. The objective is to determine the speed of the second asteroid just before they collide, expressed in terms of gravitational parameters.

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation laws, including kinetic and potential energy, and the need to consider momentum. There is also exploration of the collision point and the distances each asteroid travels before impact.

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Some participants have offered hints regarding the use of multiple conservation laws and the distribution of kinetic energy between the asteroids. There are indications of confusion regarding the setup and calculations, with some participants questioning the assumptions made in the original poster's approach.

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There are references to potential errors in calculations and misunderstandings about the distances involved, as well as acknowledgment of the need for clarification on the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



Two spherical asteroids have the same radius R. Asteroid 1 has mass M and asteroid 2 has mass 2.58·M. The two asteroids are released from rest with distance 12.35·R between their centers. What is the speed of second asteroid just before they collide? Give answer in units of (G·M/R)1/2.


Homework Equations



Ki + Ui = Kf + Uf

U= -GMm/r

K= 1/2 m v^2

The Attempt at a Solution



My Ki is 0. So I get

0 -GMm/r1 = 1/2 m vf^2 + -GMm/r2

r1= 12.35R
r2= 2R

so i solved for Vf = sqrt( 2GM (-1/ r1 + 1/r2) )

and then I get Vf = .915 (GM/R)^(1/2)

What am I doing wrong, as that is the wrong anwser.
 
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EDIT: ERROR IN THIS POST, see post 6.
 
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G01 said:
Consider this: Both asteroids will be accelerated to the point halfway between them. Now, where do you think the asteroids collide? How far does the asteroid we care about move before it reaches the other asteroid?

hmm are you recommending me to work with kinematic equations?

I do not see where you would go with knowing that information.

i) o ----------------- o
f) oo

I got a hint: You will need to use two conservation laws.

So I was thinking now I would use momentum and what I had earlier...but not sure if I should. I might need this one spelled out to me...
 
EDIT: ERROR IN THIS POST, see post 6.
 
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umm, 2 times the radius of the mass?

Which I had as 2R for r2...
 
oreostar90 said:
umm, 2 times the radius of the mass?

Which I had as 2R for r2...

SORRY! I was tired and thought you were making a mistake that you weren't! Your values of R are correct! Very sorry!

I think your problem is in the following fact:

Remember that the kinetic energy on the right hand side of the equation will be split evenly between BOTH asteroids. What does this tell you?

Again, very sorry for misleading you. I must have really been out of it then!:redface:
 
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