What determines the range of the new Higgs triple coupling in 2HDM?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the determination of the range of the new Higgs triple coupling, specifically ##g_{hH^+H^-}##, within the context of the Two-Higgs Doublet Model (2HDM). Participants explore theoretical implications, normalization methods, and the influence of perturbativity on the coupling's range.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what governs the value of the coupling ##g_{hH^+H^-}## and suggests that its range might extend beyond what is indicated in existing literature, specifically referencing perturbativity requirements.
  • Another participant explains that triplet couplings arise after symmetry breaking and are influenced by the scalar potential's quartic terms, noting that normalization is conventional and dependent on the chosen reference coupling.
  • A different participant raises a hypothetical scenario regarding the determination of a new coupling's size, questioning how a significantly larger coupling could remain undetected experimentally.
  • One participant distinguishes between deriving a coupling from theoretical relations and establishing model-independent bounds based on perturbativity and existing experimental data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of perturbativity and the normalization of couplings, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist regarding the determination of the coupling's range and its experimental implications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on definitions and the potential for varying interpretations of perturbativity, as well as the lack of consensus on the implications of large couplings in experimental contexts.

Safinaz
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Hi,

I wonder if a theory like 2HDM has a new triple Higgs coupling, like ##g_{hH^+H^-}##, what governs how much is this coupling ?

For example a paper as : arXiv:1405.3584v1 [hep-ph], they normalize ##g_{hH^+H^-}## by the SM ##g_{hWW}##,
they plotted at fig. 3 (f) ##C_{hH^+H^-}=g_{hH^+H^-}/g_{hWW} ## ratio ranges from 15 to -15, but couldn't this range extends to even -30 for example ? they mentioned at Sec. B that ranges determined by
perturbativity requirements, but this is not clear for me ..

Bests,
 
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Yes, in general you will get triplet couplings of the Higgs fields after symmetry breaking. These terms appear in the Lagrangian from the quartic terms in the scalar potential once the vev has broken the symmetry, much like Yukawa couplings give mass terms for fermions.

The normalization of the coupling is mainly conventional and the actual range of values the ratio can take of course depends on what you chose to normalize with. The perturbativity requirement is just saying that you want your theory to be perturbative and not dominated by higher order contributions. Thus, the maximum value is dependent on how far from being non-perturbative the coupling ##g_{hWW}## is. It may also be slightly author dependent what is considered to be a perturbative theory ...
 
So if I have a new model and have a new ##g_{hH^+H^-} ## coupling , how I determine how large is this coupling ?

In case the SM ##g_{hww}## ~ 51 ( gw mw) , can the new coupling reaches 2341, some say if there is a coupling
large like that why this interaction did not seen until now by experiment ..
 
One thing is having a theory that predicts a certain coupling due to some relation that relates it to other observables. Another approach is starting with some general argument (such as perturbativity) and try to put model independent bounds on the coupling based on existing experimental data.
 

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