What did Newton mean by "Ghosts of Departed Quantities"

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The discussion centers around the phrase "Ghosts of Departed Quantities," attributed to Newton and later associated with critiques from Bishop Berkeley. Participants explore the historical context and implications of this phrase in relation to calculus, particularly the use of infinitesimals and limits.

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  • Historical
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that "Ghosts of Departed Quantities" refers to the infinitesimals used in calculus, which vanish in the limit.
  • Others argue that Berkeley criticized the use of these "vanishing quantities" as not rigorous, despite the effectiveness of Newton's calculus.
  • A later reply suggests that reading historical texts, such as Geymonat's work on the history and philosophy of infinitesimal calculus, could provide deeper insights.
  • Another participant emphasizes the value of reading Newton's original works over critiques, suggesting that the original context may offer more clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the association of the phrase with both Newton and Berkeley, but there is disagreement regarding the interpretation and implications of the use of infinitesimals in calculus.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the rigor of infinitesimals versus limits in calculus, and the discussion reflects differing perspectives on historical interpretations of mathematical concepts.

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"Ghosts of Departed Quantities"

And a host of ones own deity?
 
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Best answer is here:

https://plus.maths.org/content/news-world-maths-attacks-foundations-calculus

And here

http://notebookeleven.razorsmile.org/the-ghosts-of-departed-quantities/

The ghosts were the infinitesimals used in Calculus which disappear in the limit.

This is why Calculus was recast using limits as the basis of understanding derivatives until Robinson in 1966 showed that infinitesimals could be added to the real numbers to create the hyperreals which had all the same algebraic properties as reals and thus could be added, subtracted, multiplied by and divided in expressions just like reals.

This was the way Calculus was taught early on. Conceptually it's easy to construct derivatives with infinitesimals and then algebraically evaluate expressions treating them like regular numbers.

There's a Calculus book by Keisler that follows this style of teaching:

https://www.math.wisc.edu/~keisler/calc.html
 
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WWGD said:
I am pretty sure it was bishop Berkeley

Yes it was Berkeley.
At the time of Newton there wasn't the concept of limit and He did calculation using '' vanishing quantities ''.
Berkeley criticizes these methods considered not rigorous but the calculus of Newton works very well and it is the analogue of our modern calculus ...

I suggest to read History and Philosophy of Infinitesimal Calculus, of L.Geymonat (1947).
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I suggest to read Newton. the masters offer more than the (is it safe yet to say misguided in this case) critics.
 

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