What Do the Lowercase Deltas Stand For?

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The discussion revolves around the notation of lowercase deltas in the context of variational calculus, specifically in relation to a lecture on Lagrangian mechanics. Participants seek to clarify the meaning and usage of this notation, particularly in the expression involving the action and Lagrangian.

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  • One participant asks for clarification on the meaning of lowercase deltas in a specific lecture, noting confusion over the notation used.
  • Another participant explains that lowercase delta denotes a small change in a quantity, particularly in the context of variational calculus.
  • A further contribution notes that in variational calculus, δq represents a small change in a path, contrasting it with traditional calculus where variables are treated differently.
  • One participant suggests that the notation is more user-friendly and attempts to relate it to changes in q as ε changes, questioning if this interpretation aligns with traditional usage.
  • Another participant provides an analogy with single-variable calculus to illustrate the concept of variations and how δq represents any possible choice of a variation function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of lowercase delta as denoting small changes in quantities, particularly in the context of variational calculus. However, there is no consensus on the specific implications of the notation in the lecture, as some interpretations are still being explored.

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The discussion highlights the potential for varying interpretations of notation in different mathematical contexts, and participants express differing levels of familiarity with formal mathematical concepts.

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Hi!

I've got a problem with understanding notation in this lecture:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZDy_Dccv4s&feature=BFa&list=PLF4D952FA51A49E66

For example, at 00:44:13, what does all lowercase deltas stand for? He writes:

δA=∫(∂L/∂q)δq + (∂L/(∂q dot))δ(q dot)

Why lowecase delta? What kind of notation is that?

There is kind of a brief explanation at 00:23:00 but I don't really get it. If someone can show that a bit more clearly that would be helpful.
 
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Lower case delta is used to denote a small change in a certain quantity.
 
Deltas like that are traditional in variational calculus. As SteamKing says they are used to denote small changes. From your formula, it looks like A = action, L=L(q,qdot)=Lagrangian.

q=q(t) is a vector valued function, or a path. So δq denotes a small change in that path. Unlike traditional calculus, the variable is a function (rather than a vector). Using δ rather than partial derivative notation is traditional in this context.

"Calculus of Variations" by Gelfand is a very good introduction to this subject. It covers everything essential and, for a math text, is very accessible to non mathematicians (I think).

From google, I found:
http://www.math.odu.edu/~jhh/ch34.PDF
It might have enough basic information for you to understand your prof's lecture.
 
Oh, thanks, that seems to be really helpful. Notation seems to be more "user friendly". From that paper I assume, that Suskind (the lecturer) by writing:

(∂L/∂q)δq

meant

(∂L/∂q)(∂q/∂ε), for change in q as ε changes, right? But notation with lowercase delta is traditional for calculus of variation?

Sorry if what I ask seems to be lame questions but I am a selftaught getting ready for my university course and I have few loopholes in my knowledge of formal maths as I lern by maself.
 
Basically yes. Suppose you have a variation in q(t):
q_\epsilon(t) = q(t)+\epsilon \eta(t)
Then \frac{\partial q}{\partial \epsilon}=\eta, and that equation should be true for any choice of \eta. So \delta q is notation that stands for any possible choice of \eta.

Here is an analogy with single variable calculus. If f is differentiable at x, then you can write
f(x+h) - f(x) = f'(x)h + o(h)
Or, you could write
\Delta f = f'(x)\Delta x + o(\Delta x)
\Delta, h here are analogous to \delta, \eta above. The advantage of the delta notation is that it explains itself. As SteamKing said, it means a small change in some variable. You don't need to put it into context to know what it is supposed to mean (unlike h or \eta).
 

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