What Does Audible Mean in the USDOC Radio Frequency Allocation Table?

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The discussion revolves around the term "Audible" as used in the USDOC Radio Frequency allocation table, specifically addressing the implications of categorizing certain radio frequencies within the audible range. Participants explore the relationship between electromagnetic waves and audible sound waves, questioning the accuracy and clarity of the terminology used in the document.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the term "Audible" in the context of radio frequencies, noting the fundamental differences between electromagnetic waves and pressure waves.
  • Another participant suggests that the frequencies listed as "Audible" could refer to electromagnetic signals that can be converted to sound waves through devices like speakers.
  • Some participants mention that very low frequency (VLF) signals can be translated into audio, indicating that the allocation might not be incorrect but rather a matter of interpretation.
  • There is a discussion about practical methods for receiving VLF signals using simple setups, such as connecting a long wire to a laptop microphone port, which could produce audible sounds.
  • Participants share experiences of listening to atmospheric sounds associated with VLF signals, such as "Dawn Chorus" and "Whistlers," suggesting a practical application of the concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the term "Audible" is misleading or accurate. While some agree that VLF signals can be heard when converted to sound, others question the appropriateness of the terminology in the allocation table.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity in defining "audible" frequencies and the potential for different interpretations based on the context of electromagnetic versus sound waves. There are also references to practical limitations and conditions under which VLF signals can be received and heard.

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USDOC Radio Frequency allocation table (http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/2003-allochrt.pdf)
lists part of the radio spectrum as "Audible." Radio waves are electromagnetic (e.g. light), while audible waves are pressure waves in a medium (e.g. air.) They travel at very different speeds, and are very different things. We see one and hear the other (depending on the frequency.) An audible RF signal makes absolutely no sense to me. I wouldn't think a government document would get basic science so blatantly wrong, so i think i may be missing something here. If I Google "Audible VLF", there are a lot of hits on the subject. They seem to talk about something like receiving radio frequencies from lightning strikes, and playing them as audio. Or hearing buzzing in electrical lines. Neither scenario i would interpret as being an audible radio wave.

What do you suppose the allocation chart is trying to say? Is it just wrong? Or perhaps correct, but misleading? Or am i completely missing something?
 
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It's just EM at frequencies from 10 -10kHz, plus or minus whatever definition you choose for audio frequencies. Different media obviously.
 
Agreed. An oscillator producing an EM frequency in that range could be heard audibly if you connected to a speaker. The speaker just does the translating from EM to waves of pressure by design. VLF signals are pretty easy to translate to audio since they occupy those frequencies already. I've heard of some folks just taking a really long wire and plugging it into the mic port on a laptop. If you crank the gain up high enough, you essentially create a basic VLF receiver. Ideally, you'd want around 150 meter-long wire for VLF though, but you could probably pick up some interesting sounds with something shorter around dawn or dusk if you're outside away from heavy EMI. HF bands and below tend to be pretty noisy in crowded areas these days.
 
abram said:
I've heard of some folks just taking a really long wire and plugging it into the mic port on a laptop. If you crank the gain up high enough, you essentially create a basic VLF receiver. Ideally, you'd want around 150 meter-long wire for VLF though, but you could probably pick up some interesting sounds with something shorter around dawn or dusk if you're outside away from heavy EMI. HF bands and below tend to be pretty noisy in crowded areas these days

Yup a lot of fun listening to various atmospherics ... Dawn Chorus, Whistlers etc

Dave
 

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