What Does Δy/Δx Represent in Basic Differentiation?

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The discussion revolves around the meaning and implications of Δy/Δx in the context of basic differentiation, exploring its relationship to derivatives, differentials, and the concepts of slope and instantaneous rate of change. Participants also examine the significance of Δx and its role in calculus.

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  • One participant asks for clarification on the meaning of Δy/Δx and its relationship to derivatives, specifically questioning what Δx/Δy represents.
  • Another participant explains that Δy/Δx represents the average slope between two points on a function, while dy/dx represents the instantaneous rate of change as the points approach each other infinitely closely.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of dx as a differential, noting that dy is a function of both f'(x) and dx, and discusses the notation and meaning of differentials in calculus.
  • One participant provides a formal definition of the derivative as a limit involving Δx, emphasizing the role of Δx in the context of Riemann integrals.
  • Another participant points out that the notation of Δ is not typically used for differentials, suggesting that dx and dy are preferred in that context.

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Participants express differing views on the use of Δ versus dx and dy, with some supporting the use of Δ in certain contexts while others argue against it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications and meanings of these notations.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions and interpretations of differentials and the use of notation, which may depend on the context of calculus being discussed.

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what exactly does Δy/Δx mean.
for instance i know that when
y=x2
Δy/Δx=2x
but what does Δx/Δy equal?
also why is the derivative always Δx/Δy?
also what does Δx by itself mean for instance if y=x2 what is Δx

i appreciate any and all answers thanks:smile:
 
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On the graph of a function, such as y=x^2, if you want to find the average slope between two points, you basically choose 2 points and use the basic slope formula to find the secant line. Well, if those 2 points are an infinitely small distance from each other, it forms a tangent line, which is denoted by "dy/dx" or "f'(x)", and gives you the value of the instantaneous rate change for one variable (y), with respect to a different variable (x). But the two variables have to be related or else the answer is just zero.

For your second question, dx/dy is just differentiating x with respect to y (just like in the above paragraph, but differentiating x with respect to y this time). However, anitderivatives and integrals for a function tell you the area bounded by the function and the x-axis between 2 points, and is denoted with F(x)

Lastly, by itself, dx by itself really doesn't have much meaning. It has to be attached to a derivative or an integral so that it tells you what to do with your equation. Other than that, it's pretty useless.
 
I think brhmechanic answered your first 2 questions but to answer your third one: dx on it's own is called a differential. For example, for f(x) = y, dy = f'(x)*dx, and dy is the differential of y. Realize here the the differential dy is a function of f'(x) and dx, so basically one could say that for a function f(x), the differential of a function df is a function of 2 independent variables, x and Δx, and is written as

df(x,Δx) = f'(x)Δx

It is conventional to write Δx= dx, so that you have df(x) = f'(x) dx. Hope that helps out a bit.
 
Formally speaking, \frac{df(x)}{dx}=lim_{Δx->0}\frac{f(x+Δx)-f(x)}{Δx}.

Δx=x_2-x_1, or more generally, Δx=x_{i+1}-x_i

When differentiating in calculus, we consider that Δx is always the same (thus we cut the abscissa in equal pieces). At least that's how the Riemann integral works.
 
Post is confusing, we don't use deltas for differentials, we just use dx and dy
 

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